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Frank James Marshall vs Theodor von Scheve
"Scheve Creamed" (game of the day Dec-18-2007)
Monte Carlo (1904), Monte Carlo MNC, rd 7, Feb-29
King's Gambit: Accepted. Kieseritsky Gambit Rice Gambit (C39)  ·  1-0
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Dec-18-07
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  mike1: hhmmm, right.Nice finish.
But what happens if black plays ...
10 g3 instead of f3?
11. d4 Ng4 and white is almost gone!
Dec-18-07
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  al wazir: Why didn't black play 29...Re4 or 29...h6 ?
Dec-18-07  aktajha: <mike1>

11. d4 Ng4 12. Qxg4 Bxg4 13. Rxe5 and the queen is pinned, so white remains 2 pieces for a rook up.

Dec-18-07  baseballplayer: What about 24....Rxf5?
Dec-18-07
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  Honza Cervenka: 22...f2 seems to be a mistake. Instead of that 22...Nb6!? gives black playable position with extra material.
Dec-18-07
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  Honza Cervenka: <baseballplayer: What about 24....Rxf5?> Then 25. Ne7+ with fork.
Dec-18-07  HOTDOG: 8.0-0?? is simply a bad move that loses the exchange.then Black played well until 21...Nd7?!(bllocking che Bc8)instead of 21...Na6!;then 22...f2? is another bad move that loses all the advantage,better 22...Nb6.then 24...Rxc8 is the right move,in fact 24...Nxc8 doesn't work for 25.Be6+ Kg7 26.Qe5+(perhaps also stronger is 26.Bxg4)Kg6 27.Qe4+ Kg7 and draw.28...Nxc4 seems risky but it had to be played,after 28...Qg6? Black is already lost.for example 28...Nxc4 29.b3 Nb6 30.Qg3 Qg6(with the White Queen in g3 this move now is ok)with equality.instead of 29...Nxc4 Black had a better defense with 29...Qe6,but now White wins with 30.Qf4! Nd7(30...Nxc4? 31.Bf6)31.Rg2 Kh8 32.d5 cxd5 33.cxd5 Qg6(33...Qe5 also loses)34.Be7! Qxg2+(forced,otherwise for example 34...Qa6 35.Qd4+ and mate in 3)35.Kxg2 and wins.
Dec-18-07  D4n: This is a really close game, if black had a turn or two more...
Dec-18-07
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  Honza Cervenka: <8.0-0?? is simply a bad move> It is so called Rice Gambit. It is objectively almost certainly incorrect sac but it leads to very complex and messy positions where white can appear on the top in the end. Anyway, this game was played in thematic tournament with Rice as an option.
Dec-18-07
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  Honza Cervenka: By the way, Von Scheve beat Marshall in the same event with white pieces playing Rice too. See Von Scheve vs Marshall, 1904
Dec-18-07  xrt999: < aktajha: <mike1>

11. d4 Ng4 12. Qxg4 Bxg4 13. Rxe5 and the queen is pinned, so white remains 2 pieces for a rook up.>

Black can play the in-between move Bxd4+ and after the exchange white is down a whole rook: 10.c3 g3 11.d4 Ng4 12.Qxg4 Bxd4+ 13.Kf1 Qxe1+ 14.Kxe1 Bf2+

After 10...g3, I think white's best move is 11.Be2 and then 12.d4.

Dec-18-07
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  playground player: A game like this impresses on me the vast gulf, in chess prowess, that separates Frank Marshall from mere mortals like me.
Dec-18-07  xrt999: I think 28...Qg6 was blacks biggest mistake, leaving the f file. White's discovery (moving the DSB) is met with Qg6, blocking the g file and resulting in a queen trade. The game is even.

In other words, if black had played 28...Nxc4 first, white cannot play the powerful 29.Rxf2, and is there a better move for white than the discovery?

Dec-18-07
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  kevin86: What a final move! White neither saves his queen from attack nor does he capture black's endangered queen-but instead,threatens mate and exposes the queen to attack from a second direction. It is black,who must lose the queen to prevent mate by Re8.
Dec-18-07
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  patzer2: Marshall's games are often interesting and entertaining tactical contests like this one.

The final double attack and pinning move, 31. Bh6!, makes for a particularly amusing finish.

Dec-18-07  Rubenus: <playground player> You don't know you're mortal until you're dead :).
Dec-18-07
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  patzer2: Black could have held the position after 28...Nxc4 =. After 28...Qg6?? 29. Rxg2 Nxc4? (29...h5 30. Qf3 is more difficult but also appears to win) he's practically busted. If 30...Qg7, then 31. h7 Qg6 32. Rf6 decides.
Dec-18-07  drpoundsign: don't see the King's Gambit much in the modern game
Dec-18-07
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  mike1: xrt999: < aktajha: <mike1> 11. d4 Ng4 12. Qxg4 Bxg4 13. Rxe5 and the queen is pinned, so white remains 2 pieces for a rook up.>

Black can play the in-between move Bxd4+ and after the exchange white is down a whole rook: 10.c3 g3 11.d4 Ng4 12.Qxg4 Bxd4+ 13.Kf1 Qxe1+ 14.Kxe1 Bf2+

After 10...g3, I think white's best move is 11.Be2 and then 12.d4.

well, after 11.Be2 not even the bishop
is pinned anymore.black might play Nxd5 threatening Qxh4 . I still believe White's lost.

Dec-18-07  JohnBoy: <Honza>: How 'bout the follow-up "Scheve Creams".
Dec-18-07
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  patzer2: As <Honza> notes 22...Nb6 gives Black a very playable position, with a clear advantage I might add. Even more impressive though is the ugly computer generated possibility 18...Qg6!! (moving into the teeth of a daunting but meaningless discovered attack possibility), which apparently wins outright.


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(Position after 18...Qg6!!)

Here's a bit of computer analysis:

18... ♕g6!! 19. ♕c2

[19. c5 Bf5 ;

19. Ng5 Bf5 ;

19. Nc5 Bf5 20. Bxf5 Qxf5 21. Nxb7 Re8 22. Bf4 Re2+ 23. Kg1 Qe4 24. Nd6 f2+ 25. Kf1 Re1+ 26. Kxf2 Rxd1 27. Nxe4 Rxa1 ]

19...♗f5 (Fritz 8, -2.19 @ 15 depth)

P.S. Speaking of ugly moves and things, here at http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2... is a creature so ugly even it's mother won't love it.

Dec-30-09  pts92: 31. Bh6 is just a killer move. I wish I could find this kind of moves in my blitz games... at 31. I would probably think between hxg6 or moving the queen...
Jul-05-12  DanielBryant: So was this the infamous Rice Gambit tournament?
Mar-27-15  Amarande: <DanielBryant> As von Scheve was not invited to the Masters half of Monte Carlo 1904 (Marshall, though, did play in both sections), it most definitely was.
Mar-28-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  morfishine: That Marshall always has something up his Schleeve

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