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|Oct-07-04|| ||Dick Brain: you just know the start of the solution has to be 18. d6 right after you see that 18. d6 Nxc4 19. Re7 is strong. It's just a matter of grinding through the other possibilities. |
|Oct-07-04|| ||Honza Cervenka: <Chessgames.com> Nice puzzle, but as <sneaky pete> suggested above, this pretty miniature is not a game of Rudolf Spielmann, but Sergey Nikolaevich Von Freymann. See Reti vs S Von Freymann, 1912 |
|Oct-07-04|| ||mjk: 18.d6 ♕f8 19.♖e8 ♕xe8 20.♘f6 ♕d7 21.♗xg8 right? |
|Oct-07-04|| ||Marco65: I saw that 18.Re8 Qxe8 19.Nf6 failed to 19...Qf7, and I saw that 18.d6 Nxc4 19.Re7 was winning, but still I didn't find what to play against 18...Qf8. And it was again Re8! Nunn's "Secrets of practical chess" tells this is a typical mistake |
|Oct-07-04|| ||chessgames.com: sneaky pete / Honza : Thanks, we corrected the player name now and removed the duplicate game. |
|Oct-07-04|| ||tacticsjokerxxx: I would have simply played 18.Bd3 |
|Oct-07-04|| ||patzer2: <mjk> 20...Qd7 21. Nxd7! [21. Bxg8? Qg7 ] 21...Bxd7 [21...Nxd7 Bxg8; 21...Nxc4 22. Nf6 Rg7 23. dxc7 Bd7 24. Nxh7 Rxh7 25. Qxg6 ] 22. Bxg8 Kxg8 23. dxc7 |
<tacticsjokerxxx> 18. Bd3? Nxc5
|Oct-07-04|| ||patzer2: <Dick Brain> Reti could have worked this out in advance. The King's Gambit was well researched even by 1912, and Reti was diligent when it came to opening preparation. |
|Oct-07-04|| ||Geronimo: d6 certainly sprang to mind for the outpost, but there were so many things to consider... <chessgames> was right, this should silence the "it's too easy" crowd.
In a position like this - especially when I don't have a lot of time - I fall back on intuition, which in this case happened to be the right move. But intuition isn't the same as calculation, (understatement of the year, perhaps) so seeing the right move isn't always good enough! Nice puzzle today; I'm sure I'll think about it and come back to it later..... |
|Oct-07-04|| ||greystar69: d6 not only creates an outpost on e7, but is also keeps the queen off this square (helping to keep it off the 7th rank) in the variation Qxe8 Nxf6.|
There is also the variation 18....d6 19. Qxf6 to consider with the threat of Qxd4+ and further defensive possibilities for black.
|Oct-07-04|| ||2ndNature: Initially, I didn't see 18.d6 but I _was_ looking at threats from Bc4 and Re8. When finally I spoted 18.d6, I didn't even consider 18...Qf8 - 19.Re8 was kind of obviously winning.|
Well, to my Fritz it is not, after:
18.d6 Qf8 19.Re8 Qxe8 20.Nf6 Qd7 21. Nxd7 Nxc4 22.Nf6
it shows only (2.69)
|Oct-07-04|| ||Chesspatch: I think this wasn't too difficult... after all, the rook on f, the knight on h, and the queen didn't have any better place to go anyways. But I think Qf8 would have been a puzzle as well. |
|Oct-07-04|| ||JohnBoy: Correct me if I'm wrong (as you all normally do... ;-) ), but in the final position white can do better than posted above. 19...Qd7 20.Bg8 picks up an X and the Q still has nowhere to go! She gets snatchwed next move and the threats against the black K still abound. |
|Oct-07-04|| ||Nickisimo: Hmm...we say the puzzles are too easy, they throw hard ones at us(even though somehow I got this one). Maybe we should say "Man, these are way too hard"...and we'll get ♔♕ vs. ♔. ;) |
|Oct-07-04|| ||ThomYorke: The ideia is play Re7 threatening Qxh7#, because Nxe7 is not possible (Qf6+). After Re7, the only move would be Qxe7, so d6 prevents it. |
|Oct-07-04|| ||kevin86: Two stages to this one:first try to remove or divert rook from g7;second,keep the queen from interfering:|
The first move threatens the rook by 19 ♗xg8 ♕xg8 20 ♖e8 and mate.
The second reproduces the same threat and stops 19...♕xh6 as 20 ♖xg8 mates
|Oct-07-04|| ||JohnBoy: Actually, regarding my earlier posting, 20.Bg8 is a lemon as 20...Qg7 makes clear. Just take the Q and be done with it, by 20.Nd7.|
Trying to do these without a board leads to a lot of errors...
|Oct-07-04|| ||mastrocira: Black is Spielmann or Von Freymann? |
|Oct-07-04|| ||aw1988: *Taunts chessgames.com* Bah, too easy! Any beginner could get this. :) |
|Oct-07-04|| ||Iron Dragon: What is the point of 18...Qf8? |
|Oct-07-04|| ||BeautyInChess: I didn't see anyone mention it in the posts, but what is the purpose of 12 ... Kg7 ? It seems like it's intended to stop Qh6. However, as seen in the game, it just provides a tempo for white to get the knight over to h5 and the queen gets into h6 anyway. Maybe 12 ... Qh4 as a move to prevent Qh6 ? |
|Oct-07-04|| ||Seraph88: I'm extremely confuzzled. Everything in this puzzle makes no sense to me except for the last move. |
|Oct-08-04|| ||Gypsy: < mastrocira: Black is Spielmann or Von Freymann? > Von Freymann, it just took bunch of us a few months to figure that out.|
<Iron Dragon: What is the point of 18...Qf8?> Black covers key squares around his king, and, above all, he hopes to exchange queens (eg. 19.Qxf8 Rxf8).
|May-05-11|| ||Llawdogg: Wow! Richard Reti was a brilliant attacker. Very nice combination.|
|May-24-18|| ||Vitez: This game is on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4e...|
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