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William Wallace Young vs Frank James Marshall
Simul, 15b (1913), Bordentown, NJ USA, Apr-28
King's Gambit: Accepted. Lolli Gambit (C37)  ·  1-0


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Jan-11-03  pawntificator: Refutor! Howdy. I think after 8. Qh5+ Qg6 9. Rxf4+ Nf6 10 Qh4 Bd7 your opponent should have played 11. e5 to win back the knight. Of course, you could continue 11...Rg8 and threaten mate but after 12 Qf2 he still gets the knight back. Of course, I can't really see any other way to keep the knight either. Hmm. Well, you played well, regardless. I always think black should win when white gives up that knight in the King's Gambit.

<1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 g4 5. O-O gxf3 6. Bxf7+ Kxf7 7. Qxf3 Qf6 8. Qh5+ Qg6 9. Rxf4+ Nf6 10. Qh4 Bd6 11. Rf3 Re8 12. d3 Re5 13. g4 Kg7 14. g5 Nxe4 15. dxe4 h6 16. Rf6 Rxg5+ 17. Bxg5 Qxg5+ 18. Qxg5+ hxg5 19. Rf2 Nc6 20. Rd2 Bf4 21. Rd3 Nb4 22. Rc3 Be5 23. Rc4 Bxb2 24. Rxb4 Bxa1 25. c3 b6 26. Rb3 Bb7 27. Nd2 Re8 28. c4 Bxe4 29. Re3 Bd4 0-1>

Jan-18-05  Knight13: What an good opening trap.
Jan-18-05  Saruman: 13.-Kg8 14.Rxf6 Ng6 14.Rxg6+ Kf7 15.Rg7++ Kf6 16.Qg5+ Ke6 17.Qf5#.
Nov-25-07  sambo: In the line directly above, white may mate two moves quicker: 14. Qd5+ Be6 15. Qxe6#
Apr-23-09  WhiteRook48: 9 Be3!!
Nov-01-09  ricardolopez: After 12...,Qg6 the game is not so clear (I think B game is better)
Mar-07-11  kontoleon: i love the double muzio gambit!
Aug-22-12  LoveThatJoker: Guess-the-Move Final Score:

Marshall vs W Young, 1913.
Your score: 22 (par = 15)


PS. Par is now 16.

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  sachistu: Does anyone have a reference source for this game? I have seen it listed with colors reversed. And also with F (F.K.?) Young and W Young, and just Young as White. I've also seen it with Pardentown as well as New Jersey as venues. Also, I have seen the score ending with White's 13th. Thanks in advance to anyone who knows the correct venue and player names.
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  julillo: In 2012 Guess the Move gives the white to Marshall? is it?

After 12...Qg6 black is winning!
For example 12...Qg6! 13. Be5+ Ke8 14. Qxg6 Nxg6 15. Bxh8 Nxg8 Or 12...Qg6! 13. Bxd6 Ke8 14. Qe5 (15. Rxf8!) cx6 15. Qxh8 Qg7 witj three pieces for a Rook and two pawns

Aug-28-18  balboa07: This game is on YouTube:
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  Jean Defuse: ...

<sachistu> W.W. Young was described by the American Chess Bulletin (July 1913, page 162) as an engineer in a full-page feature on 'The Young Gambit', which gave his well-known 13-move win against Marshall:

<Young v Marshall Simultaneous Exhibition in Bardentown (New Jersey) April 1897>


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  MissScarlett: The <ACB> piece was a straight reprint of Helms's <BDE> column of May 29th, Picture & Sporting Section, p.3.

The <BDE> of April 29th, Picture & Sporting Section, p.3:

<(Special to the Eagle) Bordentown, N.J., April 29 - Frank J. Marshall of Brooklyn, United States chess champion, was here yesterday as the guest of W. W. Young, the engineer, and played fifteen games simultaneously, against the visiting chess enthusiasts entertained by Mr. Young at his residence.

These included a number of Princeton graduates, of whom G. W. Jarman of last year's varsity team, succeeded in drawing a game against the champion. Another draw was scored by Mr. Young in a finely played Muzio Gambit. The others lost to the master player. [...]>

So what to make of this? Was another simul against the same opposition played during the next day or two? Or did Helms simply err in initially reporting Young's win as a draw? A third possibility - that Helms & co. retrofitted a draw into a spectacular debut victory for the new gambit - we reject as too far-fetched.

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  MissScarlett: Just discovered the Jarman draw was also a win - G W Jarman vs Marshall, 1913 - so Helms (presumably) must have messed up. Ground enough to update the game info.
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  NM JRousselle: It's difficult to take these simul games very seriously. This is especially true in the case of a professional player such as Marshall. He was known for losing to the "correct" folks in a simul. Carrie would inform him of the games he "needed" to lose.
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  GrahamClayton: <NM JRouselle> He was known for losing to the "correct" folks in a simul. Carrie would inform him of the games he "needed" to lose.

<NM JRouselle>
Who were the "correct" folks?

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