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Philip Stuart Milner-Barry vs Conel Hugh O'Donel Alexander
"Spy vs Spy" (game of the day Mar-15-2016)
England-ch (1933)
King's Gambit: Accepted. Breyer Gambit (C33)  ·  0-1
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Mar-15-16  waustad: I wonder how much chess got played at Bletchley Park. They were rather busy.
Mar-15-16
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  Phony Benoni: Reinfeld might not have liked it, but Capablanca knew what to do with a queen who came out too early:

Capablanca vs A Chase, 1922

Mar-15-16
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  Infohunter: One thing that is redeeming about this eccentric third move of White's is the fact that it has this in common with 3.Bc4 and 3.Be2: While these alternatives to 3.Nf3 all permit 3...Qh4+, they render it ineffective against correct followup play. To my knowledge the same cannot be said of other third moves for White in this opening.
Mar-15-16  The Kings Domain: Nice game from the Depression era.
Mar-15-16
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: 3.Qf3 is tricky enough for Black that it could draw the interest of one Rudolf Spielmann: Spielmann vs J Moeller, 1920

But that doesn't mean it's sound; with 3...Nc6 Black usually wins.

Mar-15-16  bengalcat47: The pun reminds me of the hilarious Spy vs. Spy skits in the offbeat humor of Mad Magazine!
Mar-15-16
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  morfishine: Wrong term(s)

One could be involved in code breaking employed as a cryptologist, cryptanalyst, linquist, Intelligence specialist or as a basic math expert

...but this doesn't necessarily mean they are a "spy". In fact, they are not spies at all since what they do essentially is to analyze raw data produced by the actual "spy" to create an intelligence product for end user dissemination

The spy does all the work and is expendable

The analysts get all the glory and play chess in their off time

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Mar-15-16  belgradegambit: <bengalcat47: The pun reminds me of the hilarious Spy vs. Spy skits in the offbeat humor of Mad Magazine!> You're an old-timer. Just like me!
Mar-15-16  TheTamale: <PhonyBenoni: "Capablanca knew what to do with a queen who came out too early..."

Ah, yes. It took me a second to see what you mean by that... he jettisons it.. Thanks for sharing this awesome game!

Mar-15-16  luftforlife: Here's another game from 1933 in which Sir Philip enjoyed success with 3. Qf3:

Milner-Barry vs R P Michell, 1933

In that game featuring the Breyer Gambit, as in this one, queens were not exchanged early, and White prevailed.

Mar-15-16
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  perfidious: These old friends had some hammer-and-tongs battles: Milner-Barry vs C H Alexander, 1932 is a melee.
Mar-15-16  LoveThatJoker: GG

LTJ

Mar-15-16
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  kevin86: Mate will come soonest.
Mar-15-16
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  AylerKupp: <morfishine> I think that you would agree that "Codebreaker vs. Codebreaker", while more accurate, does not exactly roll off the tongue. Perhaps something like "The Enigma Variations" might have been better, particularly given the relative rarity of 3.Qf3.
Mar-15-16  scormus: <AylerKupp> brilliant pun!! And so British.
Mar-15-16  luftforlife: From the pen of the late Antonio Prohías:

http://cdn.comicartfans.com/Images/...

Mar-15-16
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  Domdaniel: Ah, Bletchley. Alexander, like me, was born in Cork, Ireland. And I seem to recall solving a Klu in the Xmas Quiz a few years ago, by recognizing a pic of Bletchley and checking games between its wartime inhabitants.

<morf> -- <The spy does all the work and is expendable > I'm vaguely reminded of one of my favourite records -- Sabotage/Live by John Cale, originally released on Cale's own label, Spy Records, in 1979.

Mar-15-16
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  Domdaniel: Ray Keene's 1992 book, <The Complete Book of Gambits> is now mainly remembered for its plagiarism of analysis of the Lisitsyn Gambit (1.Nf3 f5 2.e4) from John Donaldson.

But it also contains some odds'n'ends that can still be useful, whatever their source. On the Breyer Variation of the King's Gambit (1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Qf3) Keene writes that "after 3...d5! 4.exd5 c6 5.dxc6 Nxc6 6.Bb5 Qb6 it is Black who is prepared to offer material for the initiative."

He also gives 3...d5 4.exd5 Nf6 5.Bb5+ c6 6.dxc6 Nxc6 7.d4 Bg4, from a Spielmann-Nimzowitsch game in 1907, which is "absolutely no worse for Black".

The line played here is not analysed. But Keene writes that (Qf3) ... "bringing White's queen out so early, usurping the best square for White's king's knight, is asking for trouble."

Mar-15-16
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  Cheapo by the Dozen: 28 ... Rd3 is a nice move.
Mar-15-16  RookFile: Just think, he could have played 2. Qf3, followed by 3. Bc4, and 4. Qxf7 mate.
Mar-15-16
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  morfishine: <scormus:...brilliant pun!! And so British> My hat's off the to the British and their cracking of the Enigma code, but these two gents are not spies...sorry

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Mar-15-16
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  HeMateMe: <I wonder how much chess got played at Bletchley Park. They were rather busy.>

They played classic time controls, until Uboat wolf packs were spotted, then they played blitz for a couple of hours until they had to get to work and start trying to crack the enigma transitions.

Mar-15-16
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  HeMateMe: <I'm vaguely reminded of one of my favourite records -- Sabotage/Live by John Cale, originally released on Cale's own label, Spy Records, in 1979.> !!

I've never seen anyone here give a shout out to one of my favorite LPs. The album "Ready For War" by John Cale and Sabotage is a hidden treasure.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-u...>

Mar-17-16
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  morfishine: <scormus> On your Comment: <...brilliant pun!! And so British> I worked in military intelligence and neither of these two gents were "spies" in the literal sense

Analysts, yes, "spies", no

So, again, another pun falls into its death spiral simply because the originator failed to do the necessary, elementary homework, then the ignorant voters followed suit

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Mar-17-16
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  HeMateMe: Do all spooks have a great personality, like you?
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