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Edhi Handoko vs Stephen John Solomon
Sydney Cepacol 06 (1991)
King's Gambit: Accepted. Fischer Defense (C34)  ·  0-1


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  InspiredByMorphy: Is there anything wrong with 11.e5 ?
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  tpstar: <InspiredByMorphy> I love this line for Black but prefer meeting 8. g3 with 8 ... g4, then if 9. Nh4/Nfd2 f3 keeps Kingside lines closed, or if 9. Bxf4!? gxf3 10. Qxf3 Nf6 and Black easily consolidates the extra piece Von Der Lasa vs Hanstein, 1841. The db lists 8. g3 Bh3 as the most common reply. Given the success with 8 ... g4 or 8 ... Bh3, I think 8 ... fg!? is too risky for Black, opening up the f file straight toward the King. If 11. e5 de and now the Bf7 must move anyway; 12. de/Nxe5 trades Queens off into a Pawn up endgame for Black, or 12. Qe1!? Ng4 like the game but now the Bg7 is bearing down on the center. Note 11. Bb3 dared Black to fall for 11 ... Nxe4?! 12. Qe2 d5 13. Nxg5! busting it open.
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  InspiredByMorphy: <tpstar> Good eye. I like 8.g3 g4 better than 8.g3 Bh6. 8. ...fxg3 was not a good move. 9.Bxf4 giving up the knight is no good. Heres two games I think you'll enjoy if you havent already seen them. Whites play against 8. ...g4 is great. Until these games I didnt know how to handle 8. ...g4. But maybe blacks line of play could hold an improvement somewhere. G Niemand vs D Roebuck, 1988 G Niemand vs P Skov, 1988
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  tpstar: <IBM> I understand you like this line for White, however please understand that I like this line for Black! Therefore, we have a fundamental difference of opinion, but let's look at it together. Those are nice wins (really the same game twice) and I have the utmost respect for postal games since they spend hours searching for the best continuation. First, I wonder about 10 ... Nf6; I thought Black had better attacking chances with 10 ... Bf6, but the database suggests 10 ... Qe7, then 11. Nf5 Bxf5 12. exf5 0-0-0 = A Litwin vs F Grzeskowiak, 1969. That leads to a second point = after advancing the Kingside Pawns that far, I really don't like 12 ... 0-0!? at all and think the Black King is far safer on f8 or else 0-0-0 instead. Besides, Black needs the Rh8 to hold the Pawn chain base. Note those wins had a sound piece sacrifice opening lines toward the King, then mate threats, then Pawn up, then 1-0, so castling Kingside have been the decisive error, so to speak. We'll have to play this out sometime. ;>)
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  InspiredByMorphy: <tpstar> Thanks. That was a great game. After printing out the game, going to a board and reviewing it, I tryed to find something better for white. I tryed to play good moves for black as well. I dont like whites 10.Nd2 because it blocks the queen bishop, and the e-pawn isnt being attacked yet. 10. Bf4 Qe7 11.Nd2 Bd7 12.b4 h6 13.a4 Nh6 14.a5 and castling eitherside looks inhospitable. If 14. ...O-O 15.Ng6 wins the exchange, and if 14. ...O-O-O 15.b5 Nb8 16.Qb3 leaves white with a spatial advantage. If 14. ...Kf8 15.Nhxf3 gxf3 16.Rxf3 threatening 17.Bxh6 Bxh6 18.Rxf7+ winning the queen. Trying something different for black I looked at 10.Bf4 Nge7 11.Nd2 Nxd4 12.cxd4 Bxd4+ 13.Kh1 Bxb2 14.Rb1 Be5 15.Qb3 Rh7 16.Nhxf3 gxf3 17.Rxf3 Although blacks a piece up, white has compensation with two pawns and a nice attack.
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  tpstar: <IBM> You have very good ideas on how White should proceed against this g4/f3 set-up. Let me state the obvious that we're looking at Move 10 options, which in the KGA is perhaps a moral victory for Black. [;>)] If 10. Bf4 I like 10 ... Bf6 calling the question to the Nh4; 11. Nf5 Bxf5 12. exf5 saves time for Black who can play ... Qd7 in one move, but safer is 12 ... d5 13. Bb5 Qd7 14. Re1+ Nge7 instead of 12 ... Qd7!? 13. Re1+ Nge7 14. Qb3 Na5 15. Bxf7+ Kf8 16. Qe6 which looks great for White. I agree that your Queenside Pawn storm might rule out 0-0-0, but after exf5 the f file is so blocked that ... Kf8 should work fine, then ... Rae8 and the Rh8 stays home for ... h5 & ... h4. For your second line, 10. Bf4 Nge7 11. Nd2 I like 11 ... Ng6 chopping wood. The major difference is 12. Qb3 Qf6 and not 12 ... Qe7 13. Nf5; this is important because after c3 Black usually meets Qb3 with ... Qe7. In both of these sidelines, see how White can't force the center open; e5 can be met with ... d5 keeping it closed or the more risky ... de airing it out which should also be playable, meanwhile d5 leads to ... Ne5 reducing White's attacking potential. Also in your second line, both sides sacrificed pieces for Pawns, so Black remains 2 Pawns up for the moment. What do you think?
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  InspiredByMorphy: <tpstar> Good posts! Thanks for the input. I think that your first line 10.Bf4 Bf6 11.Nf5 Bxf5 12.exf5 Qd7 is good. However, I wouldnt want to play 11.Nf5 . Perhaps sacrificing a piece is unsound, but in this position I dont find it to be. Id rather play something like the following. 11.Nhxf3 gxf3 12.Qxf3 Nxd4 13.cxd4 Bxd4+ 14.Kh1 Bxb2 15.Nc3 Bxa1 16.Bxf7+ Kxf7 17.Qh5+ and if ...Kg7 18.Be5+ dxe5 19.Qf7# or if 17. ...Ke7 18.Bg5+ hxg5 19.Qf7# Black can decline the offered bishop with 16. ...Ke7, but 17.Nd5+ looks good for white. In your second line 10.Bf4 Nge7 11.Nd2 Ng6 12.Qb3 Qf6 13.Nxg6 Qxg6 14.Rae1 leaves an interesting position. I think white may have a slight advantage, but it could be superficial. Its hard to tell. Any suggestions,improvements or continuations for black?
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  tpstar: <IBM> Hold on, partner. After 10. Bf4 Bf6 11. Nf5 Bxf5 12. exf5 I think 12 ... d5 is safer than 12 ... Qd7!? immediately (13. Re1+ & 14. Qb3), just to clarify. But here's where my thought processes as Black are different. If 11. Nxf3!? gxf3 12. Qxf3 Black has a piece for exactly 1 Pawn, so there's no need for speculative countersacrifices like 12 ... Nxd4!? (unless White played b4 already, then the Ra1 might be hanging). In my experience, whenever White sacrifices a piece in the KGA (e.g. Muzio), Black must leave a piece on f6 - a piece on f6 - to block the f file. Therefore 12 ... Qe7 is better because 13. e5!? de 14. de? Qc5+ wins the Bc4 (I've done that many times), otherwise Black has time for 13 ... Bd7 & 14 ... 0-0-0. Also, the King can scoot to d8 if needed, or the Rook can hop to h7 if needed to defend f7 if my f6 piece gets dislodged somehow. Now White often snatches the Pf7 after ... 0-0-0 or ... Kd8 but still that's only 2 Pawns for the piece. Back to Line 1, on 12 ... Nxd4!? 13. cxd4 Bxd4+ 14. Kh1 Bxb2?! note 15. Bxf7+! Kxf7 16. Qb3+ & 17. Qxb2 instead. And I forgot the whole point of Line 2 = 10. Bf4 Nge7 11. Nd2 Ng6 and White doesn't have time for 12. Qb3?! due to 12 ... Nxf4 and the Nh4 hangs (13. Bxf7+ Kf8 and the Nf4 covers g6), or else 13 ... Nh3+ and Black wins. So 12. Nxg6 fxg6 13. Qb3 Rf8 (leaving the Queen on d8 for 14 ... Na5 15. Qa4+ c6) with a double-edged game. That's why I prefer 10 ... Bf6 = more closed for Black to consolidate the Pawn plus. Here are two 10. Bf4 Bf6 games = Hatta vs Vajs, 1979 & M Zelic vs D Vajs, 1981 although I think both times Black was crazy to snatch 12 ... Qxh4!? like that.
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  InspiredByMorphy: <tpstar> Both of your lines are strong. Thanks for the input.
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  tpstar: <IBM> That's it? You don't want to evaluate Move 11 options? (kidding) Thank you very much for analyzing this line with me. Good luck on your side - until we play each other! ;>)
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  InspiredByMorphy: <tpstar> Check this out. We talked about 8. ...fxg3 being too risky. Maybe it only appears that way. <1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 d6 4. Bc4 h6 5. d4 g5 6. O-O Bg7 7. c3 Nc6 8. g3 > fxg3 9. Bxf7+ Kxf7 10. Nxg5+ Kg6 11. Nf7 Qh4 12. hxg3 Qxg3+ 13. Kh1 Qh3+ 14. Kg1 Rh7 15. Qf3 Qxf3 16. Rxf3 Nxd4 and whites position looks hopeless. Or 10. Ne5+ Ke7 11. Rf7+ Ke8 12. Qh5 Nxe5 13. dxe5 Bg4 14. Qg6 gxh2+ 15. Kh1 Ne7 16. Qxg7 Kd7 Black is a piece up, and whites attack fizzles out.
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  tpstar: <InspiredByMorphy> That's great how you're taking a fresh look at this idea. Please let me restate how I think 8 ... fg!? is risky, but 9 ... Kxf7!? looks dangerous. In Line 1 White has 12. Nxh8+ grabbing material, then 12 ... Bxh8 13. Qe2 defends better (13 ... Bh3 14. Rf4; 13 ... Bg4 14. Qc2). Line 2 also gets hairy = 10. Ne5+!? Ke7 11. Rf7+ Ke8 12. Nxc6 (12. Rd7!? wins the Queen for RBN with 12 ... Qxd7! 13. Nxd7 Bxd7; 12 ... Bxd7? 13. Qh5+ mates, or 12 ... Qf6? 13. Qh5+ Kf8 14. Rf7+) bxc6 13. Qh5 Be6 14. Rxg7+ Kf8 15. Qg6 gh+ 16. Kxh2 Qe8 looks fairly even (17. Qxe8+ & 18. Rxc7). So I'll stick with 8 ... g4, thank you.
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  InspiredByMorphy: <tpstar> <8. ...fxg3 9. Bxf7+ Kxf7 10. Nxg5+ Kg6 11. Nf7 Qh4> 12. Nxh8+ Bxh8
13. Qe2 Nxd4
14. cxd4 Bxd4+
15. Kh1 Bh3
16. Rg1 Bxg1
17. hxg3 Qxg3
17. Kxg1 Rf8
Line 2: <8. ... fxg3
9. Bxf7+ Kxf7
10. Ne5+ Ke7
11. Rf7+ Ke8
12. Nxc6 bxc6
13. Qh5 Bg4 ( stronger than 13. ...Be7 14.Rxg7+ Kf8 15.Rxg5 ) 14. Qg6 Bxd4+
15. cxd4 gxh2+
16. Kxh2 Ne7
17. Qf6 Kd7
18. Rg7 Rf8
19. Rf7 Be6
leaves white with little left to do but exchange the queen and a rook while two pawns down.
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  InspiredByMorphy: <tpstar> In the 8. ...g4 line I found an improvement for white. 8. ... g4 9. Nh4 f3 10. h3 Nf6 11. hxg4 Bxg4 12. Nxf3 Qe7 13. Nbd2 O-O-O 14. Re1 Rhe8
15. Bb5 looks equal. I was strongly looking at 8.Nc3 instead of 8.c3 also. Why not develop a piece?
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  tpstar: <InspiredByMorphy> I apologize but I see the same board differently. 10. h3 should be met with 10 ... h5 holding the Pawn chain base and potentially opening the h file (11. hg hg); 11. Bf4 Bf6 is similar to previous, while 11. Nxf3!? gxf3 12. Qxf3 f6! (exception to the rule about a piece on f6 because h5 is covered while g5 is not - 12 ... Nf6?!/Bf6?! 13. Bg5!) 13. Bxg8 Bxh3! is defensible for Black. Your line with 10 ... Nf6?! drops a Pawn and opens the f file for free. Regarding 7. c3 versus 7. Nc3, that's a key decision for White. Either way, Black does best with 7 ... Nc6 holding tight. Notice on 7. Nc3 Nc6 Black threatens 8 ... g4 or 8 ... Bg4 Removing the Defender from the Pd4.
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  InspiredByMorphy: <tpstar> I cant find anything good for white after 7.c3 Bg7 8.g3 g4 I found something good for white with 7.Nc3 . Tell me what you think. 7. Nc3 g4 8. Ne1 f3 9. gxf3 gxf3 10. Rxf3 Bg4 11. Bxf7+ Kd7 12. d5 Kc8 13. Be6+ Bxe6 14. dxe6 Bxc3 15. Rxc3 and white is a pawn up. The extra pawn looks hard to defend though. Whites probably better off giving it up and developing.
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  tpstar: <InspiredByMorphy> Mr. Morphy, let's keep this page for 8 ... fg!? and discuss 7. Nc3 further here = M Vann vs K J Bloodworth, 1990

It's all good for White, right?!

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  perfidious: Only intrepid or foolhardy souls steer into the wind with 8....fxg3 as the alternative to the more common 8....g4 or 8....Bh3, and one has the feeling that Handoko overlooked a promising method of continuing his attack.
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