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Feb-13-05
 | | bernieno: It is incredible that Fischer and Korchnoi by some people are seen as good sources of information about chess colleagues. Of course there were reasons to criticize the Sovjet system. But Korchnoi is clearly not an independent source and he has his own agenda. And he can have crazy ideas: I have read he once claimed to have played against the late Maroczy through a medium! |
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Feb-13-05
 | | MUG: <bernieno: played against the late Maroczy> I've heard this too! He once famously wrote <"if a player believes in miracles he can sometimes perform them."> Perhaps he wasn't just talking about chess?! :-) |
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Feb-13-05
 | | keypusher: <bernieno> hear hear. Why on earth would the soviets care if Geller, Petrosian and Keres had to play out a three way match anyway? They didn't stop Bronstein and Boleslavsky from doing it in 1950. Also, note that this game was played in round 23 of a 28 round tournament. If the Soviets wanted to avoid a three-way tie, they certainly chose an odd game to fix. Petrosian drew all his remaining games, while in round Keres 27 lost to Benko (for the only time in his life, against 10 wins and six draws!). Petrosian won the tournament by a half point. Any decent conspiracy theory, therefore, should start with Benko-Keres, not Petrosian-Korchnoi. The more serious point is that people are not being skeptical enough about these conspiracy theories, either about this tournament or the 1948 Match-Tournament or the 1953 Candidates, etc. It's not enough to take the word of a disgrunted defector. It's not enough to say that the Soviets wanted to keep "their" world championship (though they certainly did). You've got to look at the specific allegation and see if it makes any sense at all. Korchnoi's accusation here doesn't. |
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| Feb-13-05 | | euripides: <keyp, bernie, MUG> I don't think Korchnoi made any such accusation in this case - the sources mentioned don't appear to exist, and there are other signs that the posts were a hoax. |
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Feb-13-05
| | MUG: <euripides> Mike Fox and Richard James make reference to the Maroczy - Korchnoi 'game' in their 1993 book The Even More Complete Chess Addict (they even give the moves - Korchnoi played the French Drfence!).
Apparently Korch got the moves through a Swiss medium named Robert Rollans. But it's true, Mike and Richard don't state their sources - so it's possible it could all be bull!! |
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| Feb-13-05 | | euripides: MUG> Sorry, I meant that <Ted>'s claim about the game with Petrosian was a hoax, not that the the game with Maroczy is. I have read an interview with Korchnoi where he talks about the game with Maroczy, saing he wants to be buried with a chessboard beause Maroczy found himself on the other side without one. So I think that story is true, though I don't know how seriously Korchnoi takes it. |
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Feb-13-05
| | MUG: <euripides> Oops, sorry I misunderstood. But I agree, both stories seem pretty ridiculous! |
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Feb-13-05
 | | ray keene: according to one of the very odd posts about this game geller worked it out in advance from old analysis-since geller was fighting for the lead at this stage of the event why on earth wd he want to help one of his main rivals gain a bloodless victory? it makes no sense at all.i was korchois second in matches v polugaievsky spassky and karpov-over the two years i worked closely with him he never ever mentioned having been forced to throw this game. |
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| Feb-13-05 | | euripides: <ray> thanks, I was wondering if you might have heard anything. |
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Feb-13-05
| | keypusher: <ray keene> can you shed any light on the identity of T. Hemingway? He has three games in the database but they are all (as <Gypsy> noticed) quite amazing. One is a victory over Jonathan Speelman, although Speelman must have been very young at the time (1972). |
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| May-19-05 | | woodenbishop: Korchnoi and Petrosian were enemies. I quote...
If many had little affection for slow, cautious Petrosian, one man, flamboyant Korchnoi, had a positive hatred. Korchnoi's autobiography CHESS IS MY LIFE (somewhat confusingly Karpov's autobiography has the same title) outlines the background. Korchnoi's complaint is table shaking. Korchnoi says that when he was considering his move during their 1974 Candidates match, Petrosian would cause the tablt to shake. When Korchnoi asked him to stop Petorsian objected to the controller that Korchnoi was upsetting him by talking. -Ken Whyld
From his book CHESS RECORDS published by Guinness Superlatives Ltd. 1986 |
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| Jul-31-05 | | Helios727: <Ray Keene> Did he ever mention being ordered to throw any other games? |
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| Jul-31-05 | | Perkins: Maybe Korchnoi just played one of his stragne Alekhinesque openings, got caught too far behind in development and got reamed. It happens. |
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| Oct-23-05 | | offramp: 
click for larger view
Kortschnoi was a bit tired in this game - this was the 23rd round. |
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Aug-23-06
 | | notyetagm: This is how you use your knights, centralizing them deep within enemy territory. Position after 18  e6!:
click for larger view |
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| Jul-10-07 | | sanyas: Yes, clearly the best opening move is 1.e6! |
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Jan-01-08
 | | whiteshark: 7...Qa5 with 9...Bb4 didn't work.
<7...Bg7 8.Bxc4 0-0 9.0-0 Bd7> looks more pleasing for black. 
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Jun-26-08
 | | Ulhumbrus: 20 Nd4 comes with tempo, as it threatens the fork Nc6+ |
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| Feb-27-09 | | Riverbeast: Timman said on page 26 in his Curacao 1962 book that this game was a fix. The exact quote is "A Russian former World Champion once told me that Korchnoi had been told to lose his game as black against Petrosian in Round 23" |
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Mar-06-09
 | | Absentee: <Riverbeast: Timman said on page 26 in his Curacao 1962 book that this game was a fix. The exact quote is "A Russian former World Champion once told me that Korchnoi had been told to lose his game as black against Petrosian in Round 23"> It wouldn't be surprising. It's a very un-petrosian like game. |
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| Jun-24-09 | | Lt.Surena: Riverbeast: and Absentee:
For those who write or believe in this kind of trash, I suggest to stop riding the metro bus aimlessly like Bobby (with a worn out copy of 'I want to play/be like Bobby'). LMAO !!You also can not cry anti-commie or anti-jew slogans all day long. LMAO !! P.S. GM Keene denied hearing any of the nonsense you mention here in this web site. He was Victor's 2nd after defection. |
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Aug-15-10
| | Ulhumbrus: White develops rapidly innthe opening whilst Black neglects his own development. Following this White begins an attack by offering the pawn sacrifice 13 b4! This brings to mind the famous game Capablanca vs O Bernstein, 1914 |
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Dec-31-10
 | | wordfunph: <Riverbeast: Timman said on page 26 in his Curacao 1962 book that this game was a fix. The exact quote is "A Russian former World Champion once told me that Korchnoi had been told to lose his game as black against Petrosian in Round 23"> i believe this is true.. |
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| Dec-31-10 | | Lt.Surena: What a crushing defeat ! Twice World Champion, Six times Soviet Champion (You can easily call them World Championships also). Haters can reach out to Osama like the sore loser Bobby (*after losing freaking 7 games in Curacao)! |
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| Aug-08-12 | | RookFile: It works out better for black if he castles before mixing it up. |
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