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Viktor Korchnoi vs Alexander Beliavsky
"The Hapless Queen" (game of the day Sep-26-2018)
Biel (1992), Biel SUI, rd 8
Spanish Game: Morphy Defense. Breyer Defense Zaitsev Hybrid (C95)  ·  1-0
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Dec-05-11  BarcelonaFirenze: Very interesting game...
Dec-05-11  Retireborn: I think this may well be the only time when Viktor played 1.e4 against Beliavsky. He would have been pretty safe predicting the Breyer defence, which Beliavsky played all the time in those years.
Dec-05-11  goldenbear: 81.Qf6+ 82.Rd4... 1-0 ... Anybody want to hazard a guess as to the losing move?
Dec-05-11  goldenbear: Actually, I just realized I allowed Qb6+. Nevermind...
Dec-05-11  goldenbear: So... what is the finish after 81.Qf6+?
Dec-05-11  goldenbear: I see... 81.Qf6+ 82.Ka2... 1-0 ...
Dec-05-11  Retireborn: <goldenbear> 81...Qf6+ 82.Ka2 and Black has no more checks, the pawn f2 will fall and pawn b7 will queen.

The losing move was 22...Bc8 according to Beliavsky himself in Informator, he recommends 22...Nfxe4 instead.

Dec-05-11  goldenbear: <Retireborn> He probably didn't want to lose with a stupid bishop on b7 a la Karpov vs Beliavsky, 1992, also played at Biel in 1992.
Sep-26-18  nalinw: The computer analysis evaluates
22.... Nfx4e as much worse than

22... Bc8

Sep-26-18
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  thegoodanarchist: Beliavsky went Belly-Up-Ski
Sep-26-18  Ironmanth: Love this game! Just incredible and patient maneuvering of R,B,and N against queen and pawns. Bravo, Victor the Terrible.
Sep-26-18  cunctatorg: What a superb, what a magnificent game!!...
Sep-26-18  Huddsblue: Superb play by Korchnoi.
Sep-26-18
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  AylerKupp: <<nalinw> The computer analysis evaluates 22.... Nfx4e as much worse than 22... Bc8>

1) What engine(s) did you use?

2) To what depth was the analysis run?

3) Were there other moves evaluated higher than either 22...Nfxe4 and 22...Bc8?

4) What were the engine evaluations of 22...Nfxe4, 22...Bc8, and any other moves analyzed?

Listing your conclusion without any backup information does not provide any basis to support it. It's like saying that "someone" evaluated 22...Nfxe4 as much worse than 22...Bc8. In that case, so what?

Sep-26-18  Boomie: <AK: It's like saying that "someone" evaluated 22...Nfxe4 as much worse than 22...Bc8. In that case, so what?>

Geez, AK. Lighten up.

Somebody pointing out an interesting spot in a game is a benefit to the analysts. Otherwise we would have to analyze the whole game to find such crucial moments. Why are you trying to discourage people from posting?

Sep-26-18
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  AylerKupp: <Boomie> If all anyone wants to do is point out an interesting spot in a game and suggest that an analysis be done on that position, that's useful. If that person wants to do the analysis himself, with or without the help of a computer, and post it that's even more useful. But to simply say that it's the result of some vague computer analysis seems to me as an attempt to somehow give the analysis more importance and accuracy than it deserves. Because a bad computer analysis is about as useful as providing a human analysis consisting entirely of illegal moves.

If the alternative is to have any interested viewer analyze the whole game, what's wrong with that? That way more than one interesting spot, and perhaps more interesting ones, might be found. And that is also useful.

Why am I interested in discouraging people from posting? I'm not. What I am interested in is to <discourage> people from posting things that are of questionable value, particularly when the post could have been more credible if supporting information about the analysis, which he presumably had, had been provided.

Maybe <nalinw> is unsure of how to provide his computer analysis or is not sure whether he did it reasonably well or not. If that's the case, I'm sure that there are many in this site, myself included, who would be more than willing to help him learn how to do it better.

Sep-26-18  cormier:


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Analysis by Houdini 4: d 21 dpa

1. = (-0.18): 15...exd4 16.Qxd4 c5 17.Qd2 c4 18.Bc2 b4 19.Na4 Rad8 20.Rad1 Ne5 21.Nxe5 Bxe5 22.Qxb4 Rxd1 23.Rxd1 Nxe4 24.Bxe4 Bxe4 25.Nc5 Ba8 26.Qxc4 Bxb2 27.Be3 Be5 28.Rd7 Qc6 29.f3 Qg6 30.Qd3 Bc6 31.Re7 Qxd3 32.Nxd3

2. = (0.00): 15...Rad8 16.Rc1 exd4 17.Nxd4 Qb8 18.Nf5 Bh2+ 19.Kh1 Bf4 20.Bxf4 Qxf4 21.Qe2 Ne5 22.g3 Qf3+ 23.Qxf3 Nxf3 24.Re3 Nd4 25.Nxd4 Rxd4 26.f3 b4 27.Na4 Nh5 28.Rc5 Nf6 29.Nb6 Rd2 30.a3

Sep-27-18  Saniyat24: A resilient Korchnoi at his best...!
Sep-27-18
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  perfidious: <Retireborn: I think this may well be the only time when Viktor played 1.e4 against Beliavsky..>

It was; from the mid 1960s on, Korchnoi hardly used 1.e4 as his opening move, except against Portisch for a time.

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...

Sep-27-18  Retireborn: <perfidious> The Seven Year Itch? LOL

Yes, it was rare to see Viktor on the white side of a Spanish main, but you've reminded me of a favourite Korchnoi game:-

Korchnoi vs Smyslov, 1973

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