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Vladimir Kovacevic vs Jan Timman
Bugojno (1984), rd 7, Jun-??
Queen Pawn Game: Symmetrical Variation (D02)  ·  0-1
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Jul-08-07  TrueBlue: I actually got the main idea. Of course, there are too many lines to consider, but I did see how to mate after Nf4 exf4. The line played doesn't seem to be much more different, black's attack is way to strong to be stopped.
Jul-08-07  4i4mitko: no this was realy hard i was thinking
Qh4 but it turns out White has defense
which i didn't look at
Jul-08-07  bogo78: <Mostly average> Thanks for your comment. The line i was considering though was the one when the ♘ was not captured. Mainly along the lines of what <tallin. has in his first diagram. Only i have used the Q on b2 to later defend the f3 pawn and the R on d4 do defend g4. I don't see yet any mate but i am convinced there must be some winning move.
Jul-08-07  not yet a patzer: Hello Everybody. What a great ending! Timman cooly gives up both rooks and then dances and weaves with his king, surviving the heavy artillery, comfortable and confident with mate in hand.

Yeah! Ya' gotta love chess!

Jul-08-07
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  Eggman: <<Yeah! Ya' gotta love chess!>>

Well said!

Jul-08-07  vortex2639: I was with most others, I liked Qh4, never saw the Qe5 defense, if I had then I would have liked to think I would have seen that Nf4 was the move. I looked at Nf4 for a while, an easy win if white doesn't take but I didn't see a win with exf4, which was an easier win! ha ha, good puzzle.
Jul-08-07
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  fm avari viraf: White is threatening d7 forking the Rooks but his King seems to be in jeopardy. Hence, the first 3 moves that come to my mind is 25...f5, Nf4 & Qh4 but I immediately discarded ...f5 & thought it has to be the next 2 alternatives. First, I tried with 25...Qh4 but 26.Qe5 & back to g3 defending the mate. So my choice was 25...Nf4 where White is in deep trouble defending his King.
Jul-08-07  vangogh228: If
26. exf4 Qh4 Then
27. Rd3 appears to be White's only follow. But, then if

27... Qxh3 Then
28. Rxf3 Qxg4+

Hope that makes sense.

Jul-08-07  willyfly: what I really seem to be missing here is 29 ♕xg7+.

What is the point of that move?

Jul-08-07  MostlyAverageJoe: <willyfly: what I really seem to be missing here is 29 Qxg7+. What is the point of that move?>

1) Delay the mate in the lower right corner

2) Hope for black's mistake after Bb2 - moving the black king to the h-file would let white checkmate the black in short order.

Jul-08-07
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  neilmcmurdo: Without looking...

... my analysis (without moving pieces) suggests

25 ... R*c1 26. Q*c1 Nf4 27. Kf1 Qh4 28. Ke1 Q*h3 and black is even on material with an initiative...

No doubt totally wrong!

Jul-08-07  willyfly: an act of desperation then - sorta what I thought - thanks <MAJ>
Jul-08-07  soberknight: Two exclamation points!! I totally missed the whole idea, thinking that the queen and bishop were sitting out of play and could not stop Qh4 on the king side.
Jul-08-07
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  neilmcmurdo: Indeed totally wrong! This is a fiendish puzzle. Hadn't noticed that in the 25 ... R*c1 line 26. R*c1 Nf4 27. e*f4 Qh4 28. d7 Q*h3 29. d*e8=Q+ Kh7 30. Q*g7+!! is a forced mate for white!

25. Nf4! is of course best.

Jul-08-07
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  al wazir: One last word on 25...Qh4 26. Qe5: Black has a decent try in 26...Nd4. Then 27. Rxc8 (27. Qh2? Ne2+ wins the exchange; 27. d7 Rxe5 28. dxc8=Q+ 29. Kh7, and black threatens 29...Qh3 and 30...Qxg4+) Ne2+ 28. Kf1 Rxc8 29. d7 Rd8 30. Qe7, and now black must give up his ♖ for the d-♙ (30...Qxh3+ 31. Ke1 and 30...Ng3+ 31. Ke1 lead nowhere).
Jul-08-07
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  neilmcmurdo: Fritz 9 suggests best play of

25 .. Nf4 26 e*f4 Qh4 27. Rd3 Q*h3 28. R*f3 R*c1+ 29. Q*c1 Q*f3

with a simple win on material for black (white cannot avoid losing at least two further pawns here).

Jul-08-07
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  Eggman: <<willyfly: what I really seem to be missing here is 29 Qxg7+. What is the point of that move?>>

Perhaps White, in calculating all this a few moves back, had missed that 32...Qxf2+ leads to mate in 2?

Jul-08-07
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  kevin86: The difficulty range on the puzzle says "insane". I propose that black take his queen rook and eat it! If that's not insane,I don't know what it is.

The sac-ing of two rooks reminds me of the famous Dutch Defense game by Alekhine vs Bogoliobov (sp)

Jul-08-07  Marmot PFL: Found this one much more quickly than the usual Sunday (which I miss altogether more often than not). Timman had it harder as he had to see the combination when he played 23...exf3 otherwise the passed d pawn wins.
Jul-08-07  RandomVisitor: After 24.Rxd6 (instead of the losing 24.cxd6) the game is equal:

1: Vladimir Kovacevic - Jan Timman, Bugojno 1984


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Analysis by Rybka 2.3.2a mp:

(19-ply)
1. = (0.00): 24...Qg5 25.g3 bxc5 26.h4 Qh5 27.Qc3 c4 28.Bb2 f6 29.Qb4 Qg4 30.Qb7 Rc7 31.Qd5

2. = (0.00): 24...bxc5 25.Qe5 fxg2 26.Kxg2 Red8 27.Rxd8+ Rxd8 28.Bxc5 Qb7+ 29.e4 Qxb3 30.Bxa7 f6 31.Rc3

3. = (0.00): 24...Nxc5 25.Bxc5 bxc5 26.Rd2 fxg2 27.Qc3 a6 28.Qc4 Qf6 29.Rd3 Re5 30.Rcd1 Rce8 31.Rd6

4. = (0.05): 24...Rxc5 25.Rxc5 Qxd6 26.Rc8 Qd7 27.Rxe8+ Qxe8 28.Qd1 fxg2 29.Qd5 Qc8 30.Kxg2 Kh7 31.h4

Jul-09-07  LIFE Master AJ: What a cool game! (The two-rook sack is simply awesome.)

I have been a fan of Timman, (http://www.fide.com/ratings/card.ph...); for a long time. I remember when Timman was easily in the "Top Ten" players in the world, but it has been at least twenty years ago. (See http://db.chessmetrics.com/CM2/Play... for more details.)

Jul-09-07  Crowaholic: I had 25. ..Nf4 26. Rxc8 Nxh3+ 27. Kf1 Rxc8 with Black advantage. Or 25. ..Nf4 26. exf4 Qh4 with the threat of Qxh3 and Qg2#

Didn't consider 27. Kg2 with 27. ..Qh4! and the incredible threat of (e.g.)

28. Rxe8+ Kh7 29. Qb2 Nf4+ 30. Kg1 Ne2+ 31. Qxe2 Qxg4+! 32. Kf1 fxe2+ 33. Ke1 exd1=Q#

though. At least I found some of the core ideas.

Jul-09-07
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  patzer2: Black infiltrates the weakened castled position with the recent Sunday puzzle solution 25...Nf4!! for a decisive King side attack.
Jul-09-07  Marmot PFL: It was surprising that Timman did not pick this game as one of the 80 games in his book "Selected Games - Chess the Adventurous way".
Jul-15-07
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  Eggman: <<I remember when Timman was easily in the "Top Ten" players in the world, but it has been at least twenty years ago.>>

Whatever Chessmetrics might say, Timman was ranked #9 15 years ago (FIDE's July 1992 list), and was of course a (losing) candidates finalist in January of 1993. In fact, he was World #3 as recently as January 1990. So it has not been at least 20 years.

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