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Vladimir Kramnik vs Florin Gheorghiu
GMA World Cup Open (1989), Moscow URS, rd 9, May-??
Sicilian Defense: Classical Variation. General (B56)  ·  1/2-1/2


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Sep-04-05  White Shadow: Wow, this its the famous "Inmortal game" awesome way to make a draw, i was told by someone that Kramnik here proyect 25 moves ahead and noticed that it was going to be a end game with two rooks and 5 pawns for each player, and that after 30 moves with no blunders, it would have ended in a draw, so:

¿why to play a game that it will end in a draw 55 moves later?

and some people see this draw, just as another boring dumb draw, but they dont notice how good Kramnik was to proyect 55 moves ahead!!!

thats why this game its called "The Inmortal", Kramnik even say about this game, i spend 25 minutes thinking my next move, and my oponent start thinking it was psycological presure, but no i was seeing much moves ahead,.

Sep-10-05  lopium: It reminds me the game of Adams against Hydra... Adams was white. You remember? Adams lost.
Sep-10-05  Professeur Y: Well well, I'm new here, and I ticked when I heard the potential for Kramnik bashing, which I tend to enjoy. The short draws are just part of the problem with him if you ask me; I think Kramnik, basically, is just a lazy guy, and doesn't like to work. Most certainly a great talent, one of the best out there, for sure, and a worthy champion. But a lazy, scared bastard as far as defending his title. Hell chess is a "fighting" sport, and it's quite normal to enjoy players who actually go out and fight, who show some sort of agressivity. In a interview Kramnik compared his work with that of a pianist or a painter, meaning by that that nobody should tell an artist what to do. I disagree with that view for the simple reason that chess IS NOT an art; it is a game, a beautiful, sophisticated, estheticaly rich game, but a game nonetheless, a fighting game, and certainly not an art. And Kramnik's little game of excuses and invoking principles and rules and agrements made and then broken on this or that ground, all he went through to avoid a rematch with Kasparov, which the chess world would have LOVED, that just seemed to me like a very narrow minded, self-centered, not very noble attitude. You know who had the cards in his hands for a definite reunification? Kramnik. Only him. Nobody else. And it didn't happen because he just was afraid to lose his title, which I think now he is gonna lose by forfeit anyway. No, really, Kramnik is the kind of guy I love to hate. And I'm NOT questionning is talent. In fact, in the last game of his match against Leko, which he had to win, he showed what he was capable of, which was truly incredible (Kramnik vs Leko, 2004), and made me wanna ask: "Hey Vlad, this is great stuff; why not more often, why not everyday?" "Well, he would say, because sometimes the game calls for a draw, there is nothing left in the position, I should know beacause I'm rated in the high 2700s, and you're not". Some of that may be true, sometimes; but I'm absolutely certain (without, of course, being rated anywhere close to the 2700s) that most of it is bull@#$%. The reason Kramnik doesn't play like that all year long is because he doesn't have to: my verdict is a strong case of laziness. I can't wait till we have a champion of certain stature, who stands up for his title and for chess. I'm cheering for Topalov. Or Judith.
Sep-11-05  lopium: If Kramnik is lazy but forces him to win the world championship, then he really is the world champion. Of course if he defends it at least once a year. You can dislike him and his way of life, but he is the WC.
Sep-28-05  The Contender: This its so boring, i rather go and look to a wall than seeing Kramnik and his thousands of boring draws.
Sep-28-05  iron maiden: Why not go do it, then?
Oct-02-05  Athenea: Wow, what an exciting draw, i must accept that Kramnik has "something special" when making draws.
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  tpstar: <M> Your favorite game. ;>D

How's school?

Oct-02-05  Athenea: Kramnik with 14 years old in this game, and since then he loves to make short boring draws...................
Oct-02-05  Athenea: Every time i cant sleep early i watch one of these Kramnik boring draws, and they make me sleep almost inmeadiatly.
Oct-04-05  Kramnik Basher: <chessgames> lets put a page called; "How to draw with Kramnik" to teach to young players how not to play.
Oct-04-05  Uranium II: Game Collection: My Great Predecessors by Kramnik
Oct-06-05  CK Trademark: This its Drawmnik Trademark!!!
Jan-21-06  Unicornio: Does Kramnik fans are proud of garbage like this??

Kramnik and his drawtitis.

Jan-21-06  Australopitecus: I dont like Kramnik, but you are a very boring troll <unicornio>.
Jan-21-06  Unicornio: Welcome to my ignore list <Australopitecus>.
Feb-07-06  Conde de Montecristo: Kramnik at his best..

And there is still people out there complaining, "i dont undestand why people call him drawmnik"

9 moves with white, come on....

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  acirce: You are all aware that Kramnik was 13 years old when this game was played, right?
Mar-28-06  KYENNY139: <achirc> If he was 13 years old, then it just shows that even at that young age, Mr. Kramnik's mind was still full of drawish tendencies...
Mar-28-06  Topzilla: <You are all aware that Kramnik was 13 years old when this game was played, right?>

So, what??

That only proves he has been lazy since he was a kid.

Oct-24-06  Bufon: Kramnik does not paint, he draw.

A nice example of that.....

Feb-19-07  pacorrum: I cannot imagine Fischer signing such crap, not even as a kid. And have seen Kasparov doing it just in a very, very few instances -in matches against Karpov. I wish he had never become WC, Kramnik.
Jun-25-08  Abejorral: Kramnik, the draw master, didnt know he had his abilities of drawing since he was kid.
Apr-06-09  The Rocket: must have been a tactical draw... nobodody takes a draw after 9 moves unless the game has no meaning or if he wins the torney by doing it.
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  whiteshark: The early period of Drawnik's work, so to say.

Of his 'poems' the best-known appear in Game Collection: Buergelmaschine

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