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| May-10-04 |
| Whitehat1963: How does Crafty evaluate 28. gxh6? |
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| May-10-04 |
| chessfected: Time traveller:
29...Qxb2 30. Nd1 Qd4+ 31. Nf2 Rb1+ 32. Bf1 Bb5 33. Qxh6 Rxf1+ 34. Kg2 and now e4 is guarded. Howzat? 31.Nf2 instead of 31. Ne3 seems like an improvement. |
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| May-10-04 |
| karlzen: <chessfected>, 30.Nd1 is no good I'm afraid. In your last line with Nf2, Qxf2# seems to win! ;) |
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| May-10-04 |
| Timetraveller: <chessfected>: No, 31. Nf2 doesn't work either after 31... Rb1+ 32. Bf1 Bb5 33. Qxh6 and now 33... Qxf2+ (the original theme) wins for black. |
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| May-10-04 |
| chessfected: yes, you're right...my bad. I forgot about the original Q-sac on f2. |
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May-10-04
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| Gypsy: Yes <ToTheDeath>: 28.Bxe6 dxe6 29.Rxh6 is probably the most accurate way to break through. |
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May-10-04
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| crafty: 28. gxh6  xb2 29. e1  h7 30.  g3 a7 31.  f1 b4  (eval -0.96; depth 13 ply; 750M nodes) |
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| May-10-04 |
| karlzen: <Timetraveller>, <chessfected>, I may be completely off my nut right now, but on my inner board, black can play 33...Rxf1+ 34.Kg2 Qxf2# just as I wrote above. |
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| May-10-04 |
| Timetraveller: <karlzen> Yes, of course. I forgot Lasker's advice, "When you see a good move, look for a better one!" |
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May-10-04
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| ToTheDeath: chessfected: I'm afraid the others are right; 30. Nd1 simply loses. I believe the line I originally gave is best play for white. karlzen: Interesting variations. I think 28. b3 is too slow. Black can play c4 as you showed and his attack appears to come faster. Kudrin chose the right move. |
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May-10-04
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| ToTheDeath: I'm a bit confused by your analysis, Gypsy: 28. Bxe6 is not a legal move. The white squared bishop is on g2. |
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May-10-04
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| Gypsy: Rats (dislexia) <28.Bxe5 dxe5>! Let me erase and rewrite. |
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May-10-04
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| Gypsy: I believe the cleanest way to White win is as follows: <28.Bxe5 dxe5 29.Rxh6! Bxh6 30.Qh4 (30.Rxh6? Qd4!-+) 30...Kf8 31.Qxh6+ Ke8 32.Qf8+! Kd7 33.Qe7+> and mate in two. Important deviations are 30...Qxb2 31.Qxh6 Qc1+ 32.Bf1+- and 30...Qd4+ 31.Kh1+-. |
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May-10-04
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| ToTheDeath: Expanding a bit on my first post, after 29... Qxb2! 30. Qxh6 Qf2+ 31. Kxf2 Ng4+ 32. Kg1 Nxh6 33. gxh6! Kh7 (33... e5?? 34. h7+ Kh8 35. Bh6! creates a mating net) 34. Bxd6 Rb2 35. Bxc5 white has a material advantage and should win with careful play. |
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May-10-04
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| Gypsy: Sorry about the typo. Does it make sense now <ToTheDeath>? |
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May-10-04
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| ToTheDeath: Yes it does, Gypsy. Thank you.
After 30...Qd4+ 31.Kh1 in your line what do you do on 31... Rxb2, threatening mate on the back rank (32. Qxh6 Rb1+! 33. Nxb1 Qd1+)? |
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May-10-04
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| Gypsy: I must have too much sudafed in my body. Thus I worry about typing, not about examining variations...seeing that b1 was covered by knight I just stoped there. After your 31...Rxb2!, the only move is 32.Rf3. The attack could still work out for White; he needs to gain one tempo for the attack after 34.Rh3 takes the rook back to the h-file. Over all, I now think that you, <ToTheDeath>, may have the inside track on the only line with advantage to White. (I'll look at more variations after my head clears up.) |
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| May-10-04 |
| bvaughn: I'll be brave and show my ignorance here so that I can learn in the end... Can somebody explain to me why 31. Qf8+ is checkmate? (Please be nice :-) |
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| May-10-04 |
| chessfected: no problem, bvaughn:
31...Kxf8 32. Rh8 mate!
31...Kd7 32. Qe7+ Kc8 33. Rh8+ Be8 34. Rxe8 mate! |
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May-10-04
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| Benzol: <bvaughn> Good on you for asking. Black has two replies. If he plays 31...xf8 then 32.h8 really is mate.
His other option is 31...d7. White then plays 32.e7+ and Black's reply of 32...c8 is forced. White will then play 33.h8+ e8 34.xe8 and again it is mate. |
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| May-10-04 |
| Jatayu: <bvaughn> I think it would go like this: 31. Qf8+ Kd7; 32 Qe7+ Kc8; 33. Rh8 with mate to follow or 31...Kxf8; 32 Rh8 with mate to follow. |
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| May-10-04 |
| bvaughn: So, then, is this game a case where Suba conceded the loss rather than playing out to an inevitable conclusion? I know at this level of play, mistakes are extremely unlikely, but why not play it out just in case? Ever the optimist... By the way, thanks for responding and enlightening me on the moves. |
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May-10-04
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| Gypsy: It would not have been terible for Suba to play all the way to mate, <bvaughn> . But, from the aestetic standpoint, Suba resigned at the best place: right after a remarkably pretty move and when all realy did became clear throughout, to the very check-mate. (Asside of such a trivial consideration---reports are that Suba is a trully classy GM.) |
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| May-14-04 |
| Hinchliffe: < karlzen> If you get this message can you please contact me.Thanks. |
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| Aug-13-05 |
| Averageguy: That is a very neat mating pattern |
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sac: 28.Rxh6
