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Judit Polgar vs Alexey Shirov
Las Palmas (1994), Las Palmas ESP, rd 5, May-27
Sicilian Defense: Chekhover Variation (B53)  ·  1-0


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Jun-28-03  mkdir: whats the idea behind black's 21st move Re8?
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  Sneaky: I can't say for certain what Shirov was thinking, but I imagine one idea of 21...Re8 is to discourage Qe6+, since after the King moves the queen would be threatened.
Jun-28-03  aulero: After 21.♘g5 White has several treats. The main ones are

22.♕f7+ ♔d8 23.♘e6#
22.♕e6+ ♔d8 23.♕xe5

21...♖e8 is a way (perhaps the only) to protect the bishop in e5 and avoid the mate.

Jun-28-03  mkdir: Thanks aulero i got it,i was not thinking of Qxe5
Jun-28-03  rookbj: What was the idea of playing Qxd4 to capture a pawn when Black played Nc6 and attacked the Queen?? That's a 1 for 9 deal!!! On White's next move, instead of moving the Queen, he played Bb5, leaving the Queen wide open to a capture. It just doesn't make sense.
Jun-28-03  euripides: 5 Bb5 pins the knight so the queen can't be taken. J Polgar is Judith, the best female player ever.
Jun-28-03  Fulkrum: This "rare" recapture was thought to be bad for white but Ms. Polgar demonstrates its not so bad. This week (6-27-2003) on Peter Tamburro covers 4.Qxd4 Sicilian in his "Openings for Amateurs" program. I have been looking for a good line for white against the Sicilian where I don't have to memorize tons of theory. Mr. Tamburro makes a convincing argument that this may be a good place for amateurs, which I am, to start.
Jun-28-03  poisonpawn: Now 10...Qa5 is considered to be a better line. For example, Kaminski-Gelfand, Polinca 1997 went: 11.h4 h6 12.Bd2 Qa6! 13.Qxa6 bxa6 14.Rhe1 Ng4 15.Re2 O-O =
Jul-04-03  ksadler: This game is annotated at
Aug-11-03  pkspks: rook what do u mean Qxd4 is bad tal used it so does many good gms and ims what bad about it. he goods all his peaices out and vastle early??? can u help me here?
Aug-12-03  Helloween: 4.Qxd4, the Chekover V., is a strong line and critical theory for Sicilian practioners to learn as Black. White has several good positional plans to use. This line is one of my favorites for White, as I don't mind trading my Bishop(s) for the opponent's Knight(s) here, as I usually get a very solid position with a pawn at c4, limiting Black's counterplay with the push d7-d5(what Black strives for in the Sicilian!).
Aug-12-03  Helloween: <Note> 7.c4! has replaced 7.Nc3 as the better move in this line. Polgar is obviously playing for an early 0-0-0 with aggressiveness.(It would be a bit unsafe in this type of position to castle long after having played c2-c4.).
Aug-12-03  THE GENERAL: sylvester, this is the shirov you want to pla for the world championship and right here a girl is beating him?
Aug-12-03  PVS: She is one of the twenty best players in the world.
Aug-12-03  Sylvester: There's like 3,000,000,000 males she's better than!
Aug-12-03  Helloween: <PVS> According to ratings, one of the 11 best players, no doubt.

<Sylvester> Should be around 3.2 billion :)

Aug-12-03  pkspks: dont be so sexist come on who cares if shes a girl, i dont even care if shes a girl she can play chess good.
Aug-12-03  Helloween: She does have the advantage of "footsie distraction" under the table, which I doubt any male player would complain to the tournament director about. It's safe to say any decent-looking female player would have the "footsie distraction" as an OTB trump.
Aug-12-03  Daria: You have no rule against sexist language and have said nothing about the recent spate of ignorant abuse heaped on women chessplayers. Does this mean that you consider the ignore list an adequate remedy?
Aug-12-03  Benjamin Lau: <Daria>

You actually make a good point. I took it for granted that sexist language was simply not allowed, but it is indeed not listed under the posting guidelines.

Aug-12-03  knight errant: < Helloween> There are certain pathetic people in this world who never get any attention from "decent-looking females" and I am sure you speak for them. But I do not think most world class GMs fall into this category.
Aug-12-03  sleepkid: what's wrong with being sexy? (from Spinal Tap)
Aug-12-03  Larsker: I can only say that I have 8 people on my ignore list - and I haven't spotted any sexist language on this page. So it works.

On the other hand: If people are blatantly breaking the rules, I'm all for them being admonished. That's the whole idea of a censured site like this.

I'd just hate to see the censorship go too far - so that no one dares to make a funny remark or a controversial statement that could engender some debate. If we all agreed all the time, it might become a little boring.

Aug-12-03  Benjamin Lau: <If we all agreed all the time, it might become a little boring. >

I disagree!!!!!!!! ;-)

Aug-12-03  Benjamin Lau: <Larsker>

I don't know if some of the stuff that's been written can be classified as sexist. I just think that is it strange that racist language is not allowed, but sexist language would be (according to the posting guidelines.)

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