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|Mar-31-06|| ||you vs yourself: <...there is a part of this Van der Sterren who is hoping ... that the man he's playing will snatch a free rook without looking. It is something a child would do...>|
Leko was a 13-year old kid in this game. Maybe, Sterren was hoping Leko would take that rook!
|Mar-31-06|| ||blingice: <you vs yourself> Oh! Then I am even more correct than I hoped!|
|Mar-31-06|| ||Sneaky: Leko didn't become a grandmaster for two more years. Wrestling with players like Van Sterren is exactly how you become a grandmaster.|
|Mar-31-06|| ||nuwanda: i dont understand what was going on at move 29.
Leko, ok a boy at that time but certainly already a much stronger player than i am now, played 29.Rd1, not forced say Kg1, allowing, as <Marius> pointed out, the really obvious 29...Re2 and Van der Sterren, a GM, didnt play it ????
|Mar-31-06|| ||EmperorAtahualpa: Cool game!
Can someone please explain the pun to this English illiterate? Thanks. :)
|Mar-31-06|| ||Drifter: < WannaBe: The threat is Qf2#. Very nice... > ah obviously u mean Qf1#. Plus the additional threats of Qxh2# and Qg2# make it undefendable.|
<EmperorAtahualpa: Cool game!
Can someone please explain the pun to this English illiterate? Thanks. :)>
If you are in debt with person (a) and u take money out of this fund to pay person (b) then this is robbing peter to pay paul. (perhaps a bad explanation heres another attempt) If you have a mortgage on your house and other debts and you take out a second mortgage to pay these debts, then this is robbing peter to pay paul. Basically it is going into debt to pay off a debt. I am certain that someone else will explain it beter than me.
This is also a play on words because "Peter" (Leko) got robbed, because he would have expected to win.
|Mar-31-06|| ||Ezzy: <Drifter - This is also a play on words because "Peter" (Leko) got robbed, because he would have expected to win.> Leko was the lowest rated player at 2385 when this was played, so he was expected to finish last.|
|Mar-31-06|| ||Ezzy: Leko Peter - Van der Sterren P [C45]
Nettetal Nettetal (1), 1992
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4 Bc5 5.Be3 Qf6 6.c3 Nge7 7.Bc4 0–0 8.0–0 Bb6 9.Na3 Qg6 10.Nxc6 <A novelty at the time it was played. Previously 10 Re1 10 f3 and 10 Qd2 had been played.> 10...bxc6 11.Re1 d6 12.Qd2 Bb7 13.Rad1 h6 14.Nc2 Rad8 15.Qc1 Rfe8 16.f3 Qf6 17.Kh1 Ng6 18.Bd4 Qh4 19.Bf1 d5 20.exd5 cxd5 21.b4 c6 22.Rxe8+ Rxe8 23.Re1 Ra8 24.g3 Qd8 25.Qe3 Nf8 26.Qe7 Qc8 27.Bh3 Qxh3 28.Qxb7 Re8 29.Rd1??< After winning complete control of the 'e' file earlier, Leko now has a rush of blood to the head giving up the 'e' file and allowing 29... Re2 when mate can not be stopped. 29 Kg1 29 Bxb6 or 29 Qa6 would be satisfactory defences against blacks threatened mate>. 29...Bxd4?? <Missing 29...Re2. The 'e2' square is a blind spot for these two players!> 30.Nxd4 Re3 31.Qxc6?? <Young Leko is still oblivious to the danger. 31 Kg1 defends.> 31...Rd3 32.Qa4 Rd2 0–1
An amusing double blunder game. Sometimes we all just have those occasional ‘blind spots.’(Well, regular ‘blindspots’ in my case :-)
Leko was rated 2385 when he played this 12 player category 9 tournament. He was the lowest rated player but put in a super performance to finish joint 3rd with 6/11.
Van der Sterren was the highest rated player 2535, and he finished joint 1st on 7.5/11
|Mar-31-06|| ||kevin86: A system who robs Peter to pay Paul would tend to make Paul happier than Peter. lol|
This game reminds me of Bernatein-Capablanca and Adams-Torre. Both have pieces that are open to capture but mate is the response.
The rook not only tempts while on the file,but later threatens inescapable mate on the rank!
|Mar-31-06|| ||EmperorAtahualpa: Thanks, <Drifter>! That was clear enough for me. :)|
|Mar-31-06|| ||CapablancaFan: <kevin86> What about this game E Post vs Nimzowitsch, 1905 when Nimzowitsch offers up a kamakazi rook that can't be touched because if it does Nimzo escapes with stalemate!|
|Mar-31-06|| ||Castle In The Sky: At the time of this game Leko was 13 and Van der Sterren was 36. Maybe the title of the game should be changed to "Robbing the Cradle"|
|Mar-31-06|| ||fxenderby: <Emperoratahualpa>, just to complement what the <drifter> just said: here is a nice "legend":|
Take from one to give to another, shift resources. For example, They took out a second mortgage on their house so they could buy a condo in Florida—they're robbing Peter to pay Paul. Although legend has it that this expression alludes to appropriating the estates of St. Peter's Church, in Westminster, London, to pay for the repairs of St. Paul's Cathedral in the 1800s, the saying first appeared in a work by John Wycliffe about 1382.
|Mar-31-06|| ||HannibalSchlecter: A strong chess player once told me a useful axiom that he uses during live games. He said "play every move as if it were a puzzle, white to move and win! Or black to move and win!" That way, you will find more tactics over the board by using the same mental energy and creativity you use for chess puzzles.|
|Mar-31-06|| ||dakgootje: <HannibalSchlecter> True, totally true, but only if youve got enough time for it, so dont try to do it at bullet chess ;-)|
btw about the pun: i never understood what you gain if you take a second mortgage to pay off an other... or isnt it logical either thus that it isnt strange that i dont understand it? =P
|Mar-31-06|| ||goldenbear: I don't understand leko with the white pieces. It never looks like he's playing for a brilliant victory, or even victory, just for that fuzzy notion "better endgame".|
|Mar-31-06|| ||goldenbear: Don't see how a GM could blunder so badly. Bh3 displaces white's queen and trades his best bishop for black's worst bishop.|
|Mar-31-06|| ||Jim Bartle: Don't think Leko was a GM yet.|
|Mar-31-06|| ||acirce: Actually, Leko was still only 12. The tournament was in February, he became 13 in September.|
|Mar-31-06|| ||weisyschwarz: <Emperor Athualpa> Peter and Paul are the names of two Apostles. To rob from one member of the church to pay a debt to another member of the same church...that is the etymology of the phrase.|
|Mar-31-06|| ||Jim Bartle: Nitpick: Paul was not actually one of the twelve apostles. He was the great proselytizer after the crucifixion, and if I'm not mistaken, the author of many of the New Testament books which follow the Gospels.|
|Mar-31-06|| ||goldenbear: <acirce> Oh, I see. I thought there was something strange going on here.|
|Mar-31-06|| ||Chess Addict: Oh, wow.
What a beautiful game.
|Apr-01-06|| ||goldenbear: funny how kids play moves like 15.Qc1. I wonder what he was rated at this point. He seems to be a position player even at this age.|
|Apr-01-06|| ||dakgootje: <I wonder what he was rated at this point.> well just a quote from ezzy:<Leko was rated 2385 when he played this 12 player category 9 tournament.>|
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