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|Nov-12-05|| ||Richard Taylor: I didn't find this but once I saw the first move I could see it was a logcal sac:|
I kept thinking Black would want to use his pressure on that diagonal so my first idea was...
28. ...Rd2 29. N:d2 Bg2+ 30. Kh2 B:f1 31. Rg1+ (yes I thought the King was on g1 -blast!) and Kh2 32. R:f1 and I thought I could evade checks etc and advance the black King and win with the f pawn I analysed that quite 'deeply' (lol) thinking I had a check on g1 on move 31 - but then I thought that:
28..Rdg8 won - although it is a bit prosaic -I think White is lost from there. If 29. Nh4 R:h3# 29. Ne1 then R:g2 must win
But as played it was a marvelous finish -it was great strategico-tactical play by Albin Planinc who played very accurately and with immagination - there was no clear 'forced win' when he gave up his Q but the two bishops and attacks aginst the W King meant he had a potentially winning advantgage - I would say he would be pretty confident of winning from move 18 when he played 0-0-0 !!! A true sacrifice when it is not all cut and dried...that takes courage and inspiration...
|Nov-12-05|| ||Richard Taylor: < al wazir: <makaveli52: finally i decided that perhaps Rdg8 with a slow attack should get a win>
That was my move too, but after 29. Qc2 Rxg2 30. Qxg2 Rxg2 31. Kxg2 I don't see anything for black. Likewise, if 28...Rd2 then 29. Nxd2 Bxg2+ (29...Rxd2 30. Nf3) 30. Kh2 Rxh3+ 31. Qxh3 Bxh3 32. Kxh3 Bxd2, and black is down an exchange with nothing to show for it.> No! it odes win. After 28. ...Rdg8! (it wins as far as I can see - I dont use computers to analyse) if |
29. Qc2 R:h3+ 30. Nh2 R:h2+ 31. K:h2 Rh8+ 32. Qh7 R:h7# !!
If 29. Nh4 R:h3#
If 29. Qf5 R:g2 wins and so on.
|Nov-12-05|| ||EmperorAtahualpa: Wonderful game and a wonderful puzzle! I knew White's knight had to go, but I was thinking of 28...Rxf3. Too bad.|
|Nov-12-05|| ||JeffCaruso: <Richard Taylor: After 28. ...Rdg8! [...] if
29. Qc2 R:h3+ 30. Nh2 R:h2+ 31. K:h2 Rh8+ 32. Qh7 R:h7# !!> I don't quite see it. Why not just 30. g:h3 instead?|
|Nov-12-05|| ||JohnBoy: <erimiro> - probably the better way to say it is 2B+R vs Q+N. It is the relentless pressure from the bishops that makes the sac work.|
|Nov-12-05|| ||JohnBoy: A very interesting game, full of tension - and a probable time loss in a better position - is Velimirovic vs A Planinc, 1979.|
|Nov-12-05|| ||TopaLove: I checked 28. ... ♖d2 and it does not win.|
|Nov-12-05|| ||DP12: This was no blunder and the game was annotated in a collection of the hundred best games of all time.|
|Nov-12-05|| ||Pawsome: 31. Rg7!! -- I quickly found everything leading up to this beauty, but could only see a perpetual check. The way the discovered check indirectly rotects the rook is fine. Even if he couldn't calculate all the nuances Planinc knew that the two Bishops raking the diagonals and the rooks tending to rank and file had to ensure a draw at the very least.|
|Nov-12-05|| ||kevin86: Black's bishop was aching to move for discovered check,but had to put it off until the discovery move was not a check,but a mate threat instead. Diabolical!!|
|Nov-12-05|| ||Georgie Dubb: Far from being a blunder, the Queen sac 18. ...0-0-0 seems to be THE move. Black exchanges his Q for 1R + 1B + more king safety + connected rooks + 1 advanced pawn which will prove to be very helpful on f4. And it opens the game advantageously for him.|
[18...Be4 19.Bxf6 Qxf6 20.Rxe4+ Kd8 21.Nd2 and white dominates]
|Nov-12-05|| ||erimiro1: 1. Stop talking about "blunder", before following some more of Planinc games. 2. The queen cac was actually on Planinc's 15th. move, f6|
|Nov-12-05|| ||wintep: 28 .. Rxg2 29 Kxg2 Rd2 30 Kh1 Rd1 31 Rxd1 Bxf3+ leaves 2 Bishops and a pawn against a queen and the h-pawn. Is that correct? Is that a draw?|
|Nov-12-05|| ||gidguy2000: My first attempt was on this line, but I stopped with it because I didn't see anything coming after 31.Kh1. I even had the thought, "Is there some way to get the queen onto a black square?" And as far as I can tell, there's not. Why could't white play 32.Qh5 or Qc2? What's black's continuation from either of those?
After that I, like a few others have said, decided on 28...Rdg8.|
|Nov-12-05|| ||Dres1: Holy moly!|
|Nov-12-05|| ||Richard Taylor: <JeffCaruso: <Richard Taylor: After 28. ...Rdg8! [...] if 29. Qc2 R:h3+ 30. Nh2 R:h2+ 31. K:h2 Rh8+ 32. Qh7 R:h7# !!> I don't quite see it. Why not just 30. g:h3 instead?> Of course - I somehow had it in my head that the g pawn was pinned...!!!|
|Nov-13-05|| ||JeffCaruso: <gidguy2000: Why could't white play 32.Qh5 or Qc2?> Mate threats in the corner: after 32. Qh5, Bf2+ 33.Kh2 Bg3+ 34. Rxg3 fxg3#. After 32. Qc2, Re1! and White must move the g-pawn. So then 33. g4 Re7, and ...Re2 is unstoppable.|
(I also thought 28...Rdg8, but 29. Qc2 is the answer.)
|Nov-21-05|| ||patzer2: Planic's 18...0-0-0! is a sound positional sacrifice of the Queen, for a Rook and Bishop, giving at least equality (per Fritz 8) with practical winning chances. |
Ljubojevic defends well, but may have made a slight error with 24. c4?! Instead, Fritz 8 (@ 15 depth) gives 24. Qf5 Be3 25. Qxh7 Rh8 26. Qf5 Bxf3 27. gxf3 Rd2 28. h3 Rg8 29. h4 Rgg2 30. Qh3 Rg3 31. Qe6 Rgg2 32.Qh3 Rg3 33. Qe6 = with a draw by repetition. However, Black has other alternatives and such a defense would be difficult to find over the board.
For the recent daily puzzle solution 28...Bxf3!! removes the guard to set up a decisive attack on the weak White castled position. Notice how Planic prepares a decisive discovered check to win the Queen in the final position. An analysis of the combination using Fritz 8 follows:
<28...Bxf3!! 29. Rxf3>
Also losing quickly is 29. gxf3 Rd2 30. Qh4 Rgg2 .
<29... Rd1+ 30. Kh2 Bg1+ 31. Kh1
Rg7 32. Qh8+ Kb7 33. Rd3 Re1 34. g3 Bd4+ 35. Kh2>
Losing a decisive piece to discovered check is 35. Kg2 Rxg3+ 36. Rxg3 Bxh8 .
<35... Rge7 0-1>
Play could continue 36. Qh5 R7e2+ 37. Qxe2 Rxe2+ with a decisive advantage for Black.
|Mar-21-07|| ||shalgo: As mentioned by some previous posters, the key move here is 15...f6! Black finds a safe spot for his king and takes advantage of the awkward placement of white's bishop on g5, at the small cost of black's queen!|
The key is to be able to visualize that 19...dxe6 will open the d-file, thus creating a mating threat on the back rank and giving black the tempo needed to capture on g5.
Pachman mentions that Black had another good choice at move 15: 15...h6 16.Bh4 g5! 17.fg Rg8, but Planinc chose the sharper and, apparently, stronger option.
|Apr-11-18|| ||Ironmanth: Intense game. This one's gonna require some deeper study. Thanks for this one.|
|Apr-11-18|| ||offramp: Superb game and a good pun. Planinć was a true genius.|
|Apr-11-18|| ||nalinw: As nobody has posted today ... lovely pun and an even better game.|
|Apr-11-18|| ||N0B0DY: <nalinw: As nobody has posted today ... lovely pun and an even better game.> Guilty as charged.|
|Apr-11-18|| ||morfishine: Planinc's notable games archived here at <CG> are all brilliancies! Wow, what a player!|
|Apr-11-18|| ||Strelets: What a sizzler!|
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