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May-02-04
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| crafty: 23.  d6 e8 24.  a6+  d7 25. c5 xe4 26. xa7+ e6  (eval -1.12; depth 13 ply; 500M nodes) |
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| May-02-04 |
| mymt: 25....cxb5.26.Bxd6 Qf1+ 27.Qg1 Qxg1+. and ? |
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| May-02-04 |
| free4ever: 25. ...cxb5 26.Qa6+ 26. ...Kc7 27.Bxd6+ 27. ...Kc8 28.Qa8#
If 26. ...Kb8 , then 27. Bxd6# |
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May-02-04
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| Annie K.: free4ever, after 26.Qa6+, whether 26... Kb8 or Kc7, 27.Bxd6#. |
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| May-02-04 |
| free4ever: yeah! i missed it. thx |
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| May-02-04 |
| karlzen: <euripides>, after Crafty's line to your 23.Bxd6, I think black won't get mated, but white's positional advantage is enough to draw. <chessfected>, possibly black is OK after 21...Rf8!. That would mean that white should've played 17.Qe1! instead. Then 17...f5 18.Rxf5 Bxf5 19.Bxc6+ Bd7 20.Bxe4 (mutual threats of Nxe5 and Bxa8) 20...0-0-0 21.Ba3 Qf6 22.Nd6+ Kb8 23.Qe2! Bc8 24.Nxc8 Rxc8 25.Rf1 Qh6 26.Qa6 Rc7 27.Qd3! (with the ideas of Qd5 and Bd6) 27...Qe6 28.Bd6 Rd8 29.Bxc7+ Bxc7 30.Qb5+ Qb6 31.Qc4 white's has not only got a pawn more, but also a great positional advantage. The only problem being that an exchange of queens is not so advantageous. White's main plan is to advnace the queenside pawns to force the black queen to leave the protection of the diagonal. Say, a2-a4 a7-a6, b4, Bc6, and either Rb1 and b5 or Bf3 and Qe4 hopefully with Rf1-f8. Except for 21...Rf8 I can only see 15...Nxe4!? (though white gets enough comp.) after 9...Bc7. That would mean that it's all the dark-squared bishops' fault! In your line after 25...Rde8... white has 30.Bc5! and black can not defend. He will either lose his queen (and more material) or get mated. |
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May-02-04
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| kevin86: I was looking for a Boden's mate-and eventually,I got one-though note quite as elegant- queen and bishop,(rather than two bishops,proceeded by a queen sac). |
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May-02-04
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| talchess2003: wow! do you think ljubojevic saw the resulting position on move 20? That would be very impressive, to see a shot such as Bb5! back then |
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| May-02-04 |
| wasaka: What about 22. Be7 followed by Nd6? (< punctuation only) That also seems to work. |
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| May-02-04 |
| karlzen: <wasaka>, 22.Be7? Be6! 23.Bxd8 Rxd8 24.Qe2 Qxe4! and black wins. |
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| May-02-04 |
| Ed Caruthers: After looking at 25...cxb5 & seeing 26. Qa6+, the next thing Durao would look at would be 5... Rdf8 with a mate threat. it looks like White has to keep checking. I don't see a win after Chessfected's 26. Qa8+ Bb8 27. Ba6+ Kc7 28. Qb7+ Kd8 29. Qxb8+ Bc8. Anybody? |
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| May-02-04 |
| pawntificator: I can't see a mate either...it looks like 25...Rdf8 would have been better than resigning...or perhaps he ran out of time. |
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| May-02-04 |
| jaime gallegos: mymt is right ! when I saw the way many GMs play , with rook sacs to reach a better position for example, I learn how dynamic is chess ( is not so fixed like rook=5 and N & B = 3) |
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| May-02-04 |
| notsodeepthought: 25 ... Rdf8 really seems to be the best move for black, but white may have the option to enter a technically won endgame (at least I think it's "won" at the GM level) after 26 B:d6 Qf1+ 27 B:f1 R:f1 28 Qg1 R:g1 29 K:g1 b:b5 30 B:e5. |
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| May-02-04 |
| Hidden Skillz: there is a mate..25 Rf8 26.Qa8+ Bb8 27.Ba6+ Kc7 28.Qb7+ Kd8 29.Qxb8+ Bc8 30. Bc5 Rf7 31.Rxe5 Qb1+ 32.Bg1 Kd7 33.Bc4 Qg6 34.Bxf7 Qf6 35.Be6+ Qxe6 36.Qa7+ Kd6 37.Rxe6+ Bxe6 its all lost for black till here..n there is a mate 12 moves from here on..final position is Ka8 n Qb8#..there r for sure other variations that can lead to a mate..but this might be the hardest 1.. |
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| May-05-04 |
| pawntificator: Thank you, Fritz. 30. Bc5 is inspired. I was analyzing my little brain off and I couldn't see that simple move. It really seems to end all hope of resistance for black. |
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| May-07-04 |
| Hidden Skillz: not fritz lol..cm8k..a good chess player even without the comp could have won that game imo..if black plays Rdf8.. cos the position is so bad for black n hopeless altho it looks good but its really not.. |
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| May-07-04 |
| pawntificator: I used to have cm8k....sigh, the good old days. |
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| Nov-22-04 |
| aw1988: Curiously, i've played this before, instead of 20...Qxf5 my opponent played 20...O-O-O. |
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| Aug-05-05 |
| gulliver: I do'nt understand why not 18.. Nf2+ |
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| Aug-08-05 |
| bggsandy: If 18...Nf2+ then Rxf2 Bxf2 Rf1 and if the bishop moves Nd6 + is deadly e.g. Ke7 either NxP for material oriented or rxp + wins. kd8 nxp forks and wins material. Nf2 is a fruitless attempt to win material. |
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| Oct-24-07 |
| venk98: but i really do not understand...20.Rxf5 was not a forced mate for black right? then y did white risk it???? |
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Oct-28-07
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| hesyrett: All this analysis of 25...Rdf8 26. Qa8+ Bb8 seems beside the point, because Black can just play (after 25...Rdf8 26. Qa8+) 26... Kc7 and White has nothing better than 27. Qa7+ with repetition. I agree in essence with notsodeepthought that White would have to enter an endgame, and since (in his line) 29...bxb5 doesn't exist (the B is no longer on b5), Black would just lose his P on e5 and remain two Ps down in a position where his P on c6 interferes with his Bishop, making it hard to hold back White's a-Pawn. |
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| Sep-24-08 |
| GrandPatzerSCL: That was a sexy combo. |
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| Nov-02-09 |
| WhenHarryMetSally: The Bb5 move is brillaint - it thwart's black's mate, as well as allowing white to mate regardless of whether black chooses to cut or not. My fav move! |
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sac: 20.Rxf5
