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|May-07-10|| ||keypusher: <patzer2: The sham pawn sacrifice 34...h5! gives Capa a decisive pair of passed pawns and solves today's Friday puzzle.>|
34...h4, if we're being persnickity.
|May-07-10|| ||Riverbeast: The dreaded pawn diamond formation always wins|
|May-07-10|| ||chrisowen: 32.f5 and small Victor faces the wall, touch of spring 34..h4 bands together the pawns, concept cracking white's nut. Gone with the d4, f5 do fly and oh land's the sucker punch. It blows apart your defence good, stripping the light cover, black shine on fantastic.|
|May-07-10|| ||A Karpov Fan: got it|
|May-07-10|| ||Marmot PFL: Chernev did not even include this in Capablanca's Best Endings, maybe because white just dropped a pawn very early. he completely missed the point of 13...h6.|
|May-07-10|| ||drnooo: You always have to go back to Fischer when looking at a Capa ending like this.
He said that Capa was such a great middlegame player that the ending was always won then. Who knows maybe that even explains the result of the Alekhine Capa match. That Alexhine was also such a great middlegame player that he finally figured out how to at least get a shot at equalizing against Capa and never letting the tricky guy into having the slight edge of an endgame where it was then not such a slight edge but really a hopeless one. But of course it took an Alekhine to do that AND the fact that Capa just kept it up and up and up and over and over and over playing that damned QG instead of shifting to something like b6 and fianchettoing the queen bishop, with which he had had a good deal of success with. But I digress.|
|May-07-10|| ||RandomVisitor: After 34.Rxd4:
click for larger view
Rybka 3: <22-ply>
[-5.12] 34...Kd6 35.c4 Rcc8 36.cxd5 exd5
[-4.67] 34...Rc7 35.c4 Kd6 36.cxd5 exd5 37.Ka2 Rc1 38.Rb3 h4 39.g4 fxg4 40.hxg4 Kc6 41.g5 Rf1 42.Rc3+ Kd6 43.Rb3 Rxf4 44.Rd1 Rxg5 45.Rxb6+ Kd7 46.Rh6 e3 47.Kb3 e2 48.Re1 Rg2 49.Kc3 Rxa4
[-4.24] 34...Rcc8 35.Kc2 h4 36.gxh4 Rh8 37.Re1 Rxh4 38.Rf1 Rxh3 39.Rd2 Rch8 40.Rg2 Kf6
[-4.07] 34...h4 35.gxh4 Rh8 36.Re2 Rxh4 37.Rh2 Rxf4 38.h4 Rc7 39.h5 Kf6 40.Rd1 Rh7 41.Kc2 Rg4 42.Rdh1 f4
[-3.91] 34...Kf6 35.h4 Rc7 36.c4 Rcg7 37.cxd5 Rxg3 38.Rxg3 Rxg3+ 39.Kc4 e3 40.Rd1 Rf3 41.Kd3 exd5 42.Ke2 Rxf4 43.Rxd5 Rxh4 44.Kxe3 Ke6 45.Rd2 Rxa4
|May-07-10|| ||pferd: e5 vs h4? It's easy when you're Capablanca: attack the base of the pawn chain.|
|May-07-10|| ||OBIT: <RandomVisitor>This Rybka dude has a lot to learn about rook and pawn endgames. His analysis is totally different from anything suggested by the other posters. Like, he seems to be avoiding ...e5 like the plague. Also, what's with this ...h4 followed by ...Rh8 maneuver? It seems awfully slow.|
Maybe the conclusion to be reached here is that anything wins. Kids, you all can take credit for solving a Friday puzzle, since anything you suggested should work. Great job! :)
|May-07-10|| ||WhiteRook48: completely missed|
|May-07-10|| ||wals: Rybka 3 1-cpu: 3071mb hash: depth 17:
-0.06 4.Bxf6. better, Nc3, = 0.00, or e3, -0.03.
-0.43 11. Nc4.better, a4 or 0.0 both -0.10.
-0.40 14. Rhe1. better,Ne3, -0.01, or
-0.77 19. Nc2. better, Kd2, -0.55, or
-1.33 27.Nb5. better g4, -0.93.
-1.87 31. h3. better Rg1, -1.34.
-2.35 32. Kb3. better, Kd2, -1.77.
-3.64 33. Nd4. better,Rf1, -2.54
|May-07-10|| ||tacticalmonster: 1) Black is up a pawn but his e pawns are doubled
2) g3 pawn is insufficiently defended. g8 rook put pressure on the half-open g-file and the pawn ram h5-h4 to open a file for the rooks
3) both white rooks are awdwardly placed. e3 rook is stuck defending the g and blockade the passed e4 pawn. d4 rook is out of play.
4) It would be nice if Black can mobilize his center pawn mass.
5) Black can also target the b2 pawn with b6-b5 and Rg8-g2
candidate: h4- open up the g-file and undermine the f4 pawn
34 h4 35 gxh4 e5! 36 fxe5 f4 37 Re1 Rg2! 38 Rd1 f3
|May-07-10|| ||DarthStapler: Got it|
|May-07-10|| ||Brandon plays: Bah, I messed up... I thought it was white to move and I didn't see anything halfway decent that was even close to winning.|
|May-07-10|| ||NM JRousselle: This one was rather easy if one can remember the power of connected passed pawns in rook endings.|
|May-07-10|| ||VincentL: "Difficult".
It is late in the day, and I will be one of the last posters.
I have looked at this position for some time, and don't see any one continuation that looks better than several others.
White cannot break through easily, so black has time to coordinate his forces.
Possible starting moves would seem to be e5, h5, Rc8 (with the idea of doubling the rooks on the g file), etc.
I could write up possible variations starting with these moves, but I think I am missing something, and am going to check.
|May-07-10|| ||turbo231: I saw the first move. So it depends on Rybka's reaction, not Wahltuch's.|
|Oct-27-10|| ||mirai ishizuka fan: capablanca game is SO simple, Crystal clear ! very instructive|
|Oct-27-10|| ||mirai ishizuka fan: I dont remember anyone playing so simple and still win so easily ! Capa is a program|
|Oct-27-10|| ||SpiritedReposte: Capa's and Karpov's endgames are gifts to the chess world.|
|Oct-27-10|| ||ughaibu: If it really was the case that Capablanca played more simply than others, then the guess the move scores should be higher, per move, for his wins than for the wins of other players. If I can be bothered, I will do a little superficial research into the question, this evening.|
|Oct-27-10|| ||ughaibu: I've done as much as I can be bothered with today. In order from the simplest: |
2= Botvinnik, Capablanca
Seems like, the more modern, the less simple.
|Oct-28-10|| ||SpiritedReposte: Because Capa's moves are so simple in appearance doesn't mean they are obvious. They are simple in an elegant way that oftentimes cuts to the heart of what the position is. Even if Capa's moves are easy to see its the plan that counts.|
|Oct-28-10|| ||ughaibu: What does "simple in an elegant way" mean? If you're just regurgitating Capablanca cliches, kindly say so.|
|Oct-28-10|| ||SpiritedReposte: Just meaning his "simple" moves are not at all obvious to weaker players including me. His pawn sac in the rook ending against tartakower, the Fonaroff game where every move is natural then bang hes mated or loses a piece. It looks so easy, yet it takes great vision for it to work, or to see why it works. "Simple in an elegant way" is simple but not obvious. Very efficient and un-complicated.|
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