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| Oct-09-04 |
| panigma: The Atkins Diet is named after Atkins. It has nothing to do with the possessive. If this diet was named after a guy whose last name was Smith, it would be called the Smith Diet. No apostrophe needed...in fact, it is incorrect with it. |
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| Oct-09-04 |
| panigma: Oh, who cares, anyway. Good game. |
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Oct-09-04
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| Hanada: The diet may be called the Atkins Diet, without an apostrophe, but the pun put forth by Chessgames.com might need one because a pun is not necesarrily a literal interpretation,thus, they might mean the actual diet of Atkins, ensuring the pun and needing an apostrophe. Did that make sense? Well, I got it.... |
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| Oct-09-04 |
| Granite: In the context of the pun the terms does not act as a proper noun. Diet is a metaphor (I'd venture to call it a concete) and refers to the style of play belonging to Atkins in this game. Since it's a reference to a property possessed by Atkins the possesive form with the apostrophe is correct. Moreso trademarks are well beyond the realm of grammer and I'm hardly willing to establish them as an authority on the correct use of language, I'm going to stick with the rules I learned in english class. :) |
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| Oct-09-04 |
| clendenon: The above words should be engraved in granite. (or concrete). |
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Oct-09-04
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| patzer2: Tarrasch said 4. Ng5 was a "duffers move," but I think 4. Nc3 is worse. Atkins plays well in refuting White's passive play, and finds a brilliant "deflection" move in 19...Ra6!! to set up a winning position for Black. |
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Oct-09-04
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| patzer2: <Chessgames.com> Nice to see you have an appreciation for grammar and punctuation (i.e. Atkins' Diet not Atkins's diet nor Atkin's Diet nor Atkins Diet). In any event Atkins put Tartakower on a Chess "diet" in this game by "eating his lunch" and then "taking him out to the woodshed" for a little exercise in strategy and tactics. |
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| Oct-09-04 |
| notsodeepthought: Shoot, I didn't expect to start such a debate when I commented on the need for an apostrophe - or lack thereof - in my earlier post. Coming soon: my thoughts on the use of the semicolon... nah, I'll spare everyone that topic. |
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Oct-09-04
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| Hanada: I think Tartakower could have resigned much much earlier in this game. Guess he was @#$%* off or something....or maybe he had a little of that "Marshall" spirit on this day. |
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| Oct-09-04 |
| offramp: From http://www.write101.com/sample.htm:
<When you're using names that end in -S, you follow the same rules as with any other name and add apostrophe S: Chris's car, Bridget Jones's Diary.> |
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| Oct-09-04 |
| Seraph88: This is was a great game.
I would like to see more games like this. |
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| Oct-09-04 |
| catfriend: Really liked the confident way Atkins attacks! |
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Oct-09-04
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| patzer2: <offramp> From the site you gave "Some words sound awkward when an apostrophe 's' is added:
Jesus's disciples.
The accepted form here is to just use the 's' apostrophe: Jesus' disciples."
I'd say it's the same for Atkins' Diet as opposed to the clumsy sounding Atkins's Diet. The usual rules for using the apostrophe with possessive nouns are nicely summarized by example at http://www.dowlingcentral.com/MrsD/... |
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| Oct-09-04 |
| catfriend: <patzer2> you added it to the collection about deflections. Can you explain please why 19.. a6!! is a deflection? Perhaps I just don't know the precise definition. |
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| patzer2: <catfriend> A strong "deflection" move forces (i.e. deflects) your opponent to a square that weakens their position and strengthens yours. In this case, 19...Ra6!! initiates a whole series of deflection moves to weaken the White position and give Black an overpowering attack. Note that if 20. cxb4? then 20...axb4! 21. Qc2 Bxa2+ 22. Kc1 Rxb6  is immediately decisive. |
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| Oct-09-04 |
| catfriend: thanks a lot! |
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Oct-09-04
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| patzer2: <Mack> I've changed my mind and will defer to conventional useage and your suggestion of "Atkins Diet." "Atkins Diet" without the apostrophe is apparently the singular trademark name. If it were not for the trademark, I suppose it could be Dr. Atkins's Diet or Dr. Atkins' Diet if you think it sounds less clumsy that way. I've even seen it on the internet as the ridiculous "Atkin's Diet." Best I think is to refer to it by the official trademark or trade name "Atkins Diet." |
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| Oct-11-04 |
| Sadgrinner: Can someone please tell my why Atkins doesn't play 20. ...b5 to win the queen? |
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| Oct-11-04 |
| Swindler: The Queen can escape to the c2-square. |
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Oct-11-04
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| Willem Wallekers: <Sadgrinner> Qc2 |
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| Oct-11-04 |
| Zaius: <Granite> I completely agree with your assessment. Since this is a pun that refers to a man that did not come up with the well known diet, you should be allowed to say that it is his diet. The connection between "Atkin's Diet" and "The Atkins Diet" is to be made by you, the reader. The writer of the pun is simply making you "pronounce" the title in your head and letting you make your own connection. |
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Oct-14-04
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| Hanada: <Zaius> Exactly what I was trying to convey as well, in my own primordial way. |
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| Oct-14-05 |
| Averageguy: Dr Atkins died while on the Atkin's diet.
Understanably, this wasn't good for business. |
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| Timothy Glenn Forney: A very fun game to move through.Great Tactics by Atkins,he really understood the Zwischenzug tactic.19...a6!! brilliant move. |
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| Aug-11-07 |
| sanyas: 38... f5+ mates in three. |
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