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Slavoljub Marjanovic vs Milan Vukic
Yugoslavia (1980)
Old Indian Defense: General (A53)  ·  0-1
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May-27-05  Ultra: Why not 32 g3?

White might still end up losing, but it dosen't seem to self destruct on him nearly as fast.

May-27-05  Saruman: 32.g3? Qf5! followed by 33.-Qh3 and 34.-Qg2#.
May-27-05  ThomYorke: After 32. ... exf3 White´s position is hard to handle. Even if white had given a piece back by playing Ng3 it would be hopeless
May-27-05  mdz: <ThomYorke> I disagree. After 32...exf3 33.Ne2! fxe2 34.Qxe2 Qg5+ 35.Kh1 Qf5 36.Ra6 (33...Qg5+ 34.Neg3 hxg3 35.hxg3 or 33...Qh5 34.Neg3 hxg3 35.fxg3) Black has only small advantage. For example: 36. Ra6 Be5 37. Rd1 Rab8 38. Ra2 Qh3 39. f4 Bxf4 40. Qg2 Qxg2+ 41. Kxg2 Bd6 42. Rxa7 with good drawing chances for White
May-27-05  shortsight: <mdz> What if after 32...exf3 33.Ne2, Black does not tke the knight at e2?
May-27-05  mirunik: the right plan for black after 33.ne2 is 33...qg5+34.neg3 qg4! following by 35... qh3 and there is no defence against mate on g2
May-27-05  shortsight: <mirunik: ... after 33.ne2 is 33...qg5+34.neg3 qg4!>

There is a defense afterall, White can follow up with 35.Qd1 to stop the Queen from going to h3. But I do believe Black is winning.

May-27-05  Madman99X: 31... Bf3 is not a winning move.

After 32. gxf3 exf3,

33. Nd1! equalizes. (33 ...Qg5+ 34. Ng3 Qg4 35. Kf1 hxg3 36. hxg3)

May-27-05  Quant: I would like to ask chessgames.com whether there is a forced win at all? I spent some time considering Bf3 but rejected it as there was no obvious win. Frankly, after checking the line with crafty I feel a bit fooled. What is the point in solving tactical problems that are inherently unsound?
May-27-05  bangkokgambit: <Madman99x>
33.Nd1 is still lost

33...Qg5+ 34.Ng3 Qg4 35.Kf1 Re7 36.Ke1 hxg3 37.hxg3 Rb7 38.Ra6 Rd7 39.Rb1

May-27-05  darook: I doubt if 31...♗f3 is indeed a winning move for Black. I think White paniced here a bit too early. -Just my 50cents.
May-27-05  mirunik: <<mirunik: ... after 33.ne2 is 33...qg5+34.neg3 qg4!>

There is a defense afterall> Thats not right you can't defence your position with 35Qd1 cause in this case black has a plan which connected to f5-f4 and so on

May-27-05  Bluelapis: How about 32. Ng3 ?? Is the defence impossible ?? I wonder it.
May-27-05  sharkbenjamin: The move 31...Bf3 is a tactical device called the Alekhine's Block. The idea is to seal off the king's escape to the center and to prevent the 32.f3 or 32.f4 which would allow the White Queen to participate in the king's defence. After 31...Bf3 it is both black's and white's responsibility to solve the tactical problems. My assessment is that black is winning.
May-27-05  Aim1960: 32...Qg5+!? 33.Ng3 (33.Kh1 ef3 ) hg3 34.Ne4!(34.fg3? Qe3+ 35.Kf1/h1 Qf3+ 36.Kg1 Be5 with idea Bd4 ) gh2++ 35.Kh1 Qf5 36.Qe2 Be5 with adventage.
May-27-05  sirduke: 32. gxf3 exf3 33. Ne2 is a good defense, as black has no more than equality with proper play.
May-27-05  The beginner: Hmm very unclear if this is a real puzzle or the win ocured by White's 33 Ne4.

Fritz 8 like 33 Ne2 as other kibitzers have suggested. Fritz evaluates the game to be equal here.

May-27-05
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  YouRang: Wow - I surely didn't see that combination, and I surely never would. Hats off to Marjanovic.
May-27-05  sirduke: Example line (Fritz): 33. Ne2 Qg5+ 34. Ng3(returning the piece) Qg4 35. Qd1(stopping the possible mate on g2) hxg3 36. hxg3 and the knight will go to h2, chasing away the queen, then capture f3. White loses a pawn temporarily in this line, but gains it back after the exchange of queens and a rook.
May-27-05  turbulence: <YouRang: Wow - I surely didn't see that combination, and I surely never would. Hats off to Marjanovic.>

White can at least draw after 33.Ne2. Marjanovic won thanks to the blunder of Vukic.

May-27-05  szyymek: i think that 32.h3 is a good defence. It gives a big chance for whites to draw. 32.h3 Qf5 33.g3 hxg3 34.Nxg3 Bxg3 35.fxg3 Qxg3 36.Kf1 Qxh3 37.Ke1 Qh1 38.Kd2 Qg2 39.Kc1 Qxc2 40.Kxc2 Kg7 41.Rxa7 and whites has only one pawn less than blacks and everything is else possible..
May-27-05  mk2010: <szyymek: i think that 32.h3 is a good defence> 32.h3 is not good, black responds with 32...Qg5. In fact 33.Ne2 is the only defence
May-27-05  szyymek: <mk2010> sorry in my answer is just 32...Qg5. Analyze next my moves and you see that it is a quite good defence and leads i hope to draw...
May-27-05
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  kevin86: There certainly is a great amount of debate on this one! Keen how white's king is harrassed by black's queen-and of course,her majesty's foot soldiers.
May-27-05  farrooj: Hats off to chessgames for finding this jem. Hope tomorrow's one is nice.
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