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Edward Mackenzie Jackson vs Frank James Marshall
"Fire Marshall" (game of the day Jan-07-2013)
London-B (1899), London ENG
Bishop's Opening: Berlin Defense (C24)  ·  0-1


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  chancho: <By the way, what has happened to Robert Schinkmann's games?>

They've gone the way of the Dodo.

Feb-15-06  LIFE Master AJ: This website decided to delete my game vs. R. Schinkmann. (You have to ask them to give the exact reason; this matter was covered in the forum, User:

I have played jillions of games on the internet, and probably hundreds of (e-mail) correspondence games. (For many years I was part of a Compu-Serve group where you played other members for free.)

I gave it up when it became obvious that many people just cheated and used a computer. Nowadays, I have to have a large incentive before I try that field of endeavor again.

Feb-15-06  LIFE Master AJ: If you need more help finding the discussion on about the "why and how" of the deleted game, see User:, especially the post for January 18th, 2006.
Feb-15-06  MorphyMatt: Not a bad game.
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  chancho: <Nowadays, I have to have a large incentive before I try that field of endeavor again.>

A large incentive? :-)

Feb-15-06  hayton3: <chancho> <A large incentive? :-)> Well at least we know that getting his behind belted was a large disincentive :)
Apr-22-06  LIFE Master AJ: <MorphyMatt>
That's putting it mildly ...
Jul-07-07  notyetagm: I am struck by how similar Marshall's 30 ... ♖f2-f4+! is to Shirov's recent brilliancy 41 ... ♕f2-f4+!!?,

Position after 41 ... ♕f2-f4+!!?

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against Gelfand from the recent Pivdenny Rapid Cup.

[Event "Pivdenny Bank Cup"]
[Site "Odessa UKR"]
[Date "2007.07.06"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Gelfand,B"]
[Black "Shirov,A"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2733"]
[BlackElo "2699"]
[EventDate "2007.07.04"]
[ECO "D85"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. e4 Nxc3 6. bxc3 Bg7 7. Nf3 c5 8. Rb1 O-O 9. Be2 cxd4 10. cxd4 Qa5+ 11. Bd2 Qxa2 12. O-O Bg4 13. Be3 Nc6 14. d5 Na5 15. Bg5 b6 16. Bxe7 Rfe8 17. d6 Nc6 18. Bb5 Nxe7 19. h3 Bxf3 20. Qxf3 Qe6 21. Bxe8 Rxe8 22. dxe7 Rxe7 23. Rfe1 Bd4 24. Rbd1 Qe5 25. Rd3 a5 26. Qd1 Bc5 27. Re2 Re6 28. g3 Rd6 29. Kg2 Rxd3 30. Qxd3 a4 31. Rd2 a3 32. Qc4 Kg7 33. Rd7 Qf6 34. f4 Qb2+ 35. Kf3 Qf2+ 36. Kg4 h5+ 37. Kh4 g5+ 38. fxg5 Kg6 39. Qc3 f6 40. Rd5 a2 41. Rf5 Qf4+ 42. gxf4 Bf2+ 43. Qg3 Bxg3+ 44. Kxg3 a1=Q 45. Rxf6+ Kg7 46. e5 b5 47. Kh4 b4 48. Kxh5 Qd1+ 49. Kh4 b3 50. e6 b2 51. Rf7+ Kg8 52. Rb7 b1=Q 53. Rxb1 Qxb1 54. Kg4 Qe4 0-1

Jul-07-07  notyetagm: Position after Marshall's 30 ... ♖f2-f4+!

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Position after Shirov's 41 ... ♕f2-f4+!!?

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Jul-07-07  notyetagm: Position after Marshall's 30 ... ♖f2-f4+!

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30 ... ♖f2-f4+! is a really beautiful <LINE-OPENING SACRIFICE> by the super tactician Marshall.

It is based on the tactical point that both White units which appear to <DEFEND> the f4-square, the White g3-pawn and White g5-bishop, are <OVERWORKED> since they must also <BLOCK> lines to the precariously perched White h4-king. The White g3-pawn must <BLOCK> the diagonal e1-h4 (else 31 g3xf4 ♗c5-f2#) while the White g5-bishop must <BLOCK> the diagonal d8-h4 (else 31 ♗g5x♖f4 ♗c5-e7+ 32 ♗f4-g5 ♗e7x♗g5#).

So since both the White g3-pawn and the White g5-bishop must <BLOCK> a crucial line, neither of them actually <DEFENDS> the f4-square, hence Marshall's 30 ... ♖f2-f4+!. They are a great example of one of the two most common ways to be <OVERWORKED>: having to both <BLOCK> a line =and= <CONTROL/DEFEND> a square.

Jan-26-09  WhiteRook48: wow, all that makes me think you are a master tactician.
Jul-30-09  LIFE Master AJ: ha, ha
Jul-30-09  LIFE Master AJ: I just went over it again, its still a pretty game.
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  hedgeh0g: I just read through the entire 9 pages of comments, and it was almost as entertaining as the game itself: that has got to be one of the most pedantic, trivial arguments I've ever read. <LMAJ>, I'm sure you're a good player, but mother of Christ, you're 50+ years old (48 at the time of the argument) and you get all wound up because someone <ON THE INTERNET> doesn't give a <CHESS MOVE> as many exclams as you do. Seriously...<notyetagm> was just voicing his opinion and you went out of your way (borderline obsessive) to call it wrong.

Just chill out. It's just a game! :)

Sep-11-10  sevenseaman: One of the best played games of F. Marshall, I believe.
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  FSR: If anyone's interested in the book review by Taylor Kingston mentioned in the notes, it's available at Kingston observes that the author of the book Kingston was reviewing relied on analyses by a number of players (including leading 19th and 20th-century players such as Morphy, Anderssen, Staunton, Lasker, Kasparov, Keres, etc.) "and even such obscure sources as the minor American master A.J. Goldsby."
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: Marshall liked 3...d5 vs. this variation of the Bishop's Opening, not caring the least if it meant that the e5-pawn would not survive the first ten moves. Here's another example: J Mason vs Marshall, 1903
Jan-07-13  RookFile: Yep. It's probably unsound, but it's in fooling around with this stuff that Marshall conceived the Marshall Defense to the Ruy Lopez.
Jan-07-13  Abdel Irada: <An Englishman: Good Evening: Marshall liked 3...d5 vs. this variation of the Bishop's Opening, not caring the least if it meant that the e5-pawn would not survive the first ten moves.>

Sounds very much akin to my own response to the BO, before I shifted from 1. ...e5 to the Alekhine. White may win a pawn, but Black's counterattacking options are formidable.

And if there was any question that this was a genuine Marshall game, it was dispelled by 30. Rf4! — exactly the kind of spectacular shot Marshall made a trademark of his style.

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  morfishine: Black Marshalls up his forces to form a ingenious mating net
Jan-07-13  Abdel Irada: <morfishine: Black Marshalls up his forces to form a ingenious mating net>

As Barack Obama would say, "He didn't build that."

The winning mating net, in other words, would not exist had White not spun the fibers and woven them together. But Black did a fine job of spreading the net in the right location once it was made, and then hauled in his royal catch with verve and dispatch.

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  morfishine: <Adbel Irada> Very funny but accurate and succinct too!

All-in-all, I felt White 'fenced' reasonably well (considering the opening and the opponent)

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  kevin86: White will now decide which door he will open to allow Marshall to mate.
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  SuperPatzer77: As a fire marshall, he always says "Let's put out a big fire in London".


Jan-07-13  Moonwalker: Great game and finish.. Almost as entertaining as the preceding 9 or so pages of kibitzing!
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