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Frank James Marshall vs Jose Raul Capablanca
New York 1909  ·  Queen's Gambit Declined: Lasker Defense (D53)  ·  1-0


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Jul-22-04
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  Calli: But if Black does not capture the queen, he is down a rook.
Jul-22-04   Whitehat1963: True enough. But again, a perpetual?
Jul-22-04
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  Calli: In the final position? Black has to defend Qd8 mate. Then white can move his queen. Sorry, I really don't have any idea about a perpetual check here.
Jan-11-05   lopium: Yeah... white wins. If the a7 pawn eat the Queen, white, by eating the bishop with the knight can be sure to have another Queen, and the win.
Jan-11-05   drukenknight: capa's 21st move seems dubious, the pc recomended a different move but I found an interesting line after ...Ba4:

21..Ba4
22. Qd4 Rc4
23. Qd3 Qc8
24. Qxd5 Rxc3
25. Ng5 Bb3
26. Qb7

Jan-12-05   beatgiant: <drukenknight>
Wouldn't White just play 21...Ba4 22. Qa3, seemingly forcing the bishop back because of the threat of Rb7? At first glance, the line 21...Ba4 22. Qa3 Bb5 23. Nd4 Bd3 24. Rb7 looks great for White. Or does your PC have a trick up its sleeve?
Jan-12-05   drukenknight: the pc continues w/

24…Rc7
25. Qb3 Rac8
26. h3 Bc4

what is so great about this? it seems to hold.

THe pc actually preferred the line starting w/:

21….f6
22. Rb4 Rab8
23. Rab1 Rxb4
24. Qxb4 Ba4
25. Qa5 Bc6

second choice was 21...Rc7 perhaps there is a lot of play left in the position.

Jan-12-05   beatgiant: <drukenknight>
In the PC's line, 21...Ba4 22. Qa3 Bb5 23. Nd4 Bd3 24. Rb7 Rc7 25. Qb4 Rac8 26. h3 Bc4 27. Nb5, and I think Black's in trouble.

<THe pc actually preferred the line starting w/: 21….f6> At first glance, 21...f6 merely weakens the area around e6. What if White replies simply 22. Nd4.

<second choice was 21...Rc7> Again 22. Nd4.

<perhaps there is a lot of play left in the position.> Certainly Black doesn't have to lose immediately as in the game, but White's a pawn up, has a good knight versus a bad bishop, and controls the open lines, so he does not need to hurry. White can prevent back-rank problems with h3, double rooks on the b-file, and prepare Rb8 or Nb5 or Nxc6 to trade down at a good time as in the example above.

Jan-12-05   drukenknight: he's a pawn up, that's all. I dont see any immediate win. Plenty of games end as draws with someone up by a pawn happens every day. Until it's proved otherwise...
Jan-12-05   drukenknight: is this an example of a mined square on b6? Usually Ive seen it w/ Kings but I know it can happen w/ pieces.
Jun-30-05   aw1988: "It is my move, meester Marshall."
Nov-22-05   capablancakarpov: This game was played in Scranton,Pa. May 1st, 1909.
Nov-22-05   Koster: Very passive play by Capablanca, like he had a big match lead already and stayed out late the night before. Although I doubt there is much nightlife in Scranton.
Apr-30-06
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  patzer2: Marshall's 24. f4! ends Capa's tactical threats and assures him a winning passed pawn, which he secures much easier than expected after Capa's 24...Rb6? to allow 25. Qxb6! axb6 26. Nxc6 .

This is one of the few games Marshall managed to win against Capablanca in this match, salvaging just a little bit of pride for the American champion in an other wise decisive match defeat at the hands of the future World champion. Perhaps 15...Ne4 = to would have held for Black.

Apr-30-06   CapablancaFan: Have to give credit when it's due. Frank's 25.Qxb6! is unanswerable. It's hard to find a good continuation for Capa in the final position because the a6 pawn is such a threat it cramps Capa's game.
Apr-30-06   WillC21: <patzer2> Nice analysis. Clear and instructive.

If you don't mind me asking, what type of computer hardware and program(s) do you use for your chess analysis?

Apr-30-06
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  patzer2: <WillC21> I have a 2GHZ Athlon 3000 processor with a Gig of RAM and run Fritz 8. It may not be the strongest program, but I'm somewhat familiar with it and find it useful.
Apr-30-06   WillC21: <patzer2>. Thanks. Keep up the nice analysis; it's much appreciated.
May-01-06
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  Pawn and Two: Regarding his 16th move, 16...Nd7, Capablanca stated, <Black's position was bad and perhaps lost in any case, but the text move makes matters worse. As a matter of fact I never saw White's reply Bf5. It never even passed through my mind that this was threatened. Black's best move would have been 16...Rfb8. If that loses, then any other move would lose as well.>

Marshall also agreed that 16...Rfb8 was Black's best move. However, he stated that White would still maintain the initiative after 16...Rfb8.

The American Chess Bulletin stated regarding 16...Nd7, <The move that loses the game, and evidently due to "chess blindness." After the game, Capablanca stated that he had not realized the possibility of Bf5 by White. The right move here was Rfb8, and a fair defense might have been found.>

Fritz 9 agrees that 16...Rfb8 was Black's best move. Fritz rates the position after 16.Rfb1 (.48) (17 ply) and indicated the best continuation was 16...Rfb8 17.axb6 axb6 18.Qb2 Rxa1 19.Rxa1.

Soltis stated that Marshall only took 45 minutes for this game.

After this game the score in their match stood: Capablanca 3, Marshall 1 and 3 games drawn. Marshall's only success in this match, unless one counts his run of 9 draws in a row near the end of the match. The final score was: Capablanca 8, Marshall 1, and 14 games drawn.

Jun-27-06   blingice: One really interesting move by black that stood out to me quickly was 17..Rfc8. Capablanca moves his rook INTO a pin? I'm not as good as Capablanca, but that seems to disregard some fundamentals.
Jun-27-06   CapablancaFan: <blingice> This simply was a case of Capa looking "too" far ahead. Capa (probably already calculated 10 moves prior) was anticipating the c-file being opened up and was seeking counterplay there. It does seem strange that he would willingly put his rook in a pin like that, but he simply underestimated the consequenses of 18.Bxd7! a move that I'll admit effects are a little hard to see had one not seen this game.
Jan-18-07
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  notyetagm: 24 ... Rb6?? is one of the worst moves I have ever seen Capablanca play.
Feb-09-07   kiseiju: it is not bad in se: there was a trap, capablanca just thought his opponent (even if we're talking about marshall here...) could fall into it
May-30-09   WhiteRook48: 25 Qxb6!!!
Jun-11-09   DarthStapler: GOTD please
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