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|Nov-19-07|| ||playground player: Wow! Did these two put some pressure on each other, or what? In 1918 Marshall still had some work to do on his namesake counter to the Ruy Lopez, and others to this day have continued to test and refine it. |
But this has just got to be one of Capablanca's greatest victories.
|Nov-19-07|| ||kevin86: In this case,Marshall's attack looked good-but Capa's was better.|
|Nov-19-07|| ||Joshua01: My brain must be slowing down;
what is the response to 17. Qxf2?
|Nov-19-07|| ||PinnedPiece: Yet another Queen move query: Doesn't 24...Qf2 followed by ...Bg5 keep the pressure on?|
|Nov-19-07|| ||Marmot PFL: <Joshua01> 17.Qxf2 is bad because of ...Bg3 and if white tries to save the queen, 18.Qf1 Bxe2 19.Qxe2 Rae8 20.Be3 Qe4 and black is winning.|
Many years ago I had this position as white in a tournament called the Frank Marshall Memorial, and managed to survive the sacrifices and win. I remembered Capa's notes in My Chess Career, that what saves white in these complications is the strength of the Qf3, both for attack and defense. But today I would not allow the Marshall, as I think trying to get an edge in the 11...c6 lines is more trouble than it's worth. Even in this theoretically weaker line you can see how accurately white has to play to survive the attack.
|Nov-19-07|| ||Marmot PFL: <PinnedPiece> Once again, 25.Qf3! does the trick for white.|
|Nov-19-07|| ||CapablancaFan: Chernev wrote years ago about this game, saying "one would be hard pressed to find any moves better than the ones Capablanca made". I read that 5 years ago...I'm still looking, LOL!|
|Nov-20-07|| ||whitebeach: <CapablancaFan: Chernev wrote years ago about this game, saying "one would be hard pressed to find any moves better than the ones Capablanca made".>|
Chernev was right. One astonishing move after another. Marshall was a casual and free spirit in many ways, but after this game he must have been a wreck. Probably headed straight for McSorley's or some similar destination.
|Nov-26-07|| ||DukeAlba: Wow.. A masterful defence by Capablanca. Amazing ability to resist come captures that Marshall presents. |
Marshall, as usual puts up some very nice attacking combinations but in the end he could not defend against Capa's eternal brilliance.
36. Bxf7+ is out of control. Certainly one of my all time favorites.
|Nov-26-07|| ||RookFile: This game is during Capa's invincible days, when his faultless positional judgement was combined with a work ethic involving rapid and deep calculation of variations.|
|Dec-07-07|| ||tarananakon: i think after 23. Kd3-Vxh3 black stands fine and has a slight advantage, am i wrong? white's queenside all recked up and black has good counter game that side|
|Dec-16-07|| ||Duck McCluck: I think by 23. white had a decisive positional advantage. However, I'd like to see some detailed variations if anyone has some.|
|Jan-18-08|| ||jovack: I have never seen what all the hype about Capablanca was before this, but I now see how great his games are. Marshall is no pushover, congrats to him too.
This is another good example of how an experienced player will opt to play with a bishop and knight over a rook and pawn.
If I were Marshall, I would have taken a move to activate my second rook before beginning the attack, it would have proven invaluable to him since his attack ran out of steam.|
re: DukeAlba's comment, he resisted the captures because they were tactical traps.
|Jan-18-08|| ||Whitehat1963: <jovack> Take a long and careful look at this great game by the 12-year-old (or 13, but no older) Capablanca, then tell me he didn't deserve all the hype:|
Capablanca vs J Corzo, 1901
|Jan-20-08|| ||jovack: <Whitehat1963> I've never seen the hype because I've never actually seen any of his games before this haha. The game you posted was also quite excellent.|
|Jul-31-08|| ||Ulhumbrus: Capablanca did not develop his Queen's Knight until the thirty-second move.|
On 36 Bxf7+ Rxf7 37 b7-b8/Q+ Kh7 38 Rxh6+! 39 Kxh6 38 Qh8+ Kg6 39 Qh5 is mate
|Oct-06-08|| ||Darth Lasker: I like this game. It shows the power of attack and defence, the way how brave player plays for win with black pieces against stronger opponent. I like Marshall's 11. - g4 more than modern 11. - c6.|
|Mar-12-09|| ||dwavechess: 28/36 Concur with Rybka 3 at 3 minutes Q6600 per move For Capablanca|
|Aug-07-09|| ||kingfu: Marshall spent 10! years waiting to spring this on Capablanca and he refutes it over the board.|
|Aug-07-09|| ||Albertan: <kingfu: Marshall spent 10! years waiting to spring this on Capablanca and he refutes it over the board.>|
I disagree, the Marshall Gambit is still played today and has never been refuted.It is such a good variation for Black that in his career Kasparov never allowed the Marshall Gambit to be played against him when he played the Ruy Lopez! Capablanca did not refute the gambit in this game, new ways were found to play the opening as black starting at move 11 (Now the main line is 11...c6 with play usually continuing: 12.12. d4 Bd6 13.Re1 Qh4 14. g3 Qh3 15. Be3 Bg4 16. Qd3 Rae8 17. Nd2 Re6 18. a4 Qh5 19. axb5
Deep Rybka 3 indicates that the move 13...Bb7 is superior to Marshall's 13...Ng4 In addition the program indicates that playing ....Bh2+ is superior to Marshall's 15...Nxf2. The move 16...Bxh3 is superior to Marshall's move 16...Bg4, and 32....Bb8 is superior to 32...Bb4. In addition, 33...Kh8 is superior to 33...Bxc3 and just about any move is superior to the blunder 34...h6??
|Oct-11-09|| ||kingfu: Apologies. I did not mean that the Marshall Gambit was refuted forever. I meant that is was amazing that Capa won this game.|
|Dec-12-09|| ||Sparta1: What's wrong with 17. Qxf2? Doesn't 17. ... Bg3 run into 18. Qxf7+ Rxf8 19. Re8#?|
|Dec-12-09|| ||zanshin: <Sparta1> There is a rook on a8 preventing mate.|
|Dec-13-09|| ||Sparta1: <zanshin> The bishop on c8 blocks the rook.|
|Dec-13-09|| ||zanshin: <Sparta1: <zanshin> The bishop on c8 blocks the rook.>|
There's something wrong somewhere. After <17.Qxf2+ Bg3 18.Qxf7+>, this is the position:
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