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Mar-08-06
 | | Sami Jr: <YouRang> and <OBIT>. I do not understand why 22...Rxg2 is suggested. White takes it for free 23. Qxg2. This also prevents blacks Q mate on as white has his bishop and queen (followed by his king if necessary) that can intervene on e2 in case of check. Am I missing something here? |
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Mar-08-06
 | | kevin86: I saw the shadows of an epelautte mate at e3-but I saw that there were too many obstacles in the way. The rook sac and the unsupported queen pin sure cleared them away! A little too involved for a Wednesday,I think----seems like a Friday puzzle. |
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Mar-08-06
| | Sami Jr: <RandomVisitor> Thanks for your post in regards to my question. I don't have a chess board to play around with right now and it's hard for me to look too far ahead, but I was able to follow your line of moves. It would be difficult for me to do that in the middle of a game. Very nice. I was briefly thinking 24.Be2 to block the check, but that leads to alot more trouble for white. |
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Mar-08-06
 | | RandomVisitor: EDIT<Sami Jr>
An alternate move is 22...Rxg2 23.Qxg2 (Rd2 Rxd2 Bxd2 Bxd3 Qxd3 Qxb2; Rc1 Rxh2) Qe3+ 24.Qe2 Bh4+
click for larger view25.Rf2 Bxf2+ 26.Kf1 Bxd3 27.Rxd3 Qxe2 28.Kxe2 Bc5 Black is up a pawn. |
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Mar-08-06
 | | YouRang: <OBIT> Thanks for the explanation. |
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| Mar-08-06 | | Fan of Leko: I chose Rxg2, which I believe is just as good (likely better)as it ensures Bh4 will be check, ex. Qxg2 Qe3+ Qe2 Bh4+ Rf2 Bxf2+ Kf1 Bxd3 Rxd3 Qxe3. This seems like an easier win than the line in the game. |
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Mar-08-06
| | RandomVisitor: Best play in this game could be 26...Re8 27.Rxh7 Re7 28.Rh8 Qxa2 29.Rc1 Qc4 which Rybka scores as -1.01/19. The Rxg2 line would be my preferred choice in over-the-board play - it scores roughly -1.00. |
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Mar-08-06
 | | Pawn and Two: I agree with those who say 22...Rxg2 23. Qxg2 Q-e3+ 24. Q-e2 B-h4+ 25. R-f2 Bxf2+ 26. K-f1 Bxd3 27. Rxd3 Qxe2+ 28. Kxe2 B-c5 offered better winning chances than the spectacular 22...R-g3. In my previous post, I was unable to find, using Fritz 9, a winning line for Black after 22...R-g3. Black had the advantage, but I could not find a conclusive line. In the actual game, Mieses erred on both of his 26th and 27th moves and found himself in a lost position. Reggio should have then have played 28. R-c1! R-c8 29. a4 K-b6 30. B-d4+ K-a5 31. R-c3. According to Fritz 9, at 20 ply, this leads to a winning Rook and Pawn endgame for White. |
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Mar-08-06
| | RandomVisitor: <Pawn and Two>I have not found a winning line for Black either. This does not mean there isn't one. I started an analysis on my PC at home of the position after 26.Rh1 this morning and I will see what it comes up with when I come home from work. White has active pieces and can put up resistance. |
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Mar-08-06
| | RandomVisitor: So the big question is, which position is better for Black, the one after the Rxg2 line
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White to move
or after the Rg3 line
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Mar-08-06
| | Sami Jr: <RandomVisitor> I prefer the Rg3 line which was actually played. I think having the Q is an advantage over a R+B as it can do many forking checks which can capture many of white's pieces. In addition white's B is severely handicapped when black's K is in a white square. |
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| Mar-08-06 | | Count Dracula: Fang You very much!! |
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Mar-08-06
 | | al wazir: <Marco65>: Thanks. That makes me feel a little better about 22...Bh4+, but not a whole lot. I think that pony is still running loose. |
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Mar-08-06
 | | Richard Taylor: < raydot: <Richard Taylor>"Epaulette Mate," who knew there was a name for it? You learn something new every day...> I was runner up in a Schoolboy (called in those days)tournament in about 1960 (lol!) and I got a book called "The Art of Check Mate" by Victor Kahn and Renaud - an invaluable book -most of the mates are classifed - there is also a book by Tal and Krogius I think - it has hundreds of mate configurations. But I could see that Bh4+ or Rxg2 were candidates but after 22. ... Bh4+ 23. Kd2 Qxb2+!? 24. Bxb2 Rxb2+ 25. Kc1 (not 25. Kc3 as Bf6 is mate!!) Rc8+ 26. KxR Bf6+ 27. Kb1 in thsi line I couldnt find a win - the I saw that Rg3! forces mate or wins the Q (for a R and B) I also thought that 22. ... Rxg2 won. But White has 23. Rd2. |
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Mar-08-06
| | Richard Taylor: It may be that objectively Rg3 is not the best but it is so beautiful - who cares!! |
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Mar-08-06
| | Pawn and Two: In addition to 22...R-g3 and 22...Rxg2, I note others have suggested 22...B-h4+ 23. K-e2 d4. In this last variation, White should be able to hold the position with 24. Qxh4. This was an exciting game with the advantage changing hands several times. Even as late as move 29, Reggio had a chance to hold the position. Instead of 29. Rxd5+, Reggio should have played 29. a4!. Fritz 9 evaluates the position at move 29 as (-.29) (18 ply)and gives the following line: 29. a4 K-c5 30. R-h7 Qxa4 31. Rxa7 (Fritz 9 rates this position as (.00) (18 ply). Thanks to Mieses and Reggio, we have had a great game to discuss and analyze. |
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Mar-08-06
| | RandomVisitor: <Richard Taylor>Let's not get carried away. The goal here is to find the best move - not the prettiest. |
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| Mar-09-06 | | Marco65: <Pawn and Two> After 22...Bh4+ 23.Ke2 d4 I don't like your proposed 24.Qxh4 because of Rxg2+. I still prefer 24.Bxd4. |
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Mar-09-06
| | Pawn and Two: <Marco65> After 22...Bh4+ 23.Ke2 d4 24.Bxd4? Qxd4! wins for Black. However, after 22...Bh4+ 23.Ke2 d4 24. Qxh4 Rxg2+ 25.Rf2 Rxf2+ 26.Qxf2 dxc3 27.Bxa6+. Now Black's King has to move, next the Queens will be exchanged and White then has a winning ending. |
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| Mar-09-06 | | Marco65: <Pawn and Two> Have you find an improvement for Black in the line I analyzed in an earlier post? It was 22...Bh4+ 23.Ke2 d4 24.Bxd4 Qxd4 25.Bxa6 Rxb2+ 26.Kf3 Rf2+! 27.Rxf2 Qxd1+ 28.Re2 Qd5+ 29.Ke3 Qe4+ 30.Kd2 Qxf4+ and I said "seems better for Black but not clearly winning in my opinion" |
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Mar-09-06
| | Pawn and Two: <Marco 65> In your line 22...Bh4+ 23.Ke2 d4 24. Bxd4?? Qxd4! 25. Bxa6 Rxb2 26. Kf3 Rf2+! 27. Rxf2 Qxd1+ 28. Re2 Rg4! looks like the winner. If then 29. g3 Qd5+ 30. Ke3 Qc5+ 31. Kd2 Qa5+ picks off the Bishop and wins. This was a fascinating game, mistakes and all. |
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| Mar-10-06 | | Marco65: <Pawn and Two> I'm not fully convinced. In the first place after g3 also Black's bishop is "en prise". Moreover after 22...Bh4+ 23.Ke2 d4 24.Bxd4 Qxd4 25.Bxa6 Rxb2 26.Kf3 Rf2+! 27.Rxf2 Qxd1+ 28.Re2 Rg4 29.g3 (not forced but probably best) Qd5+ white king can escape with 30.Kf2 Qc5+ 31.Kf1, what do you think of that? |
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Mar-10-06
| | Pawn and Two: <Marco65> In your line 22...Bh4+ 23. Ke2 d4 24.Bxd4?? Qxd4 25.Bxa6 Rxb2+ 26.Kf3 Rf2+! 27.Rxf2 Qxd1+ 28.Re2 Rg4! 29. g3 Qd5+ if now White plays 30. Kf2, then 30...Rxf4+ and Black wins. |
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Mar-14-06
 | | patzer2: The puzzle solution 22...Rg3!! prepares 23...Bh4!, utilizing two consecutive decoys to give Black a strong attack on the uncastled White King. |
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Nov-01-12
 | | outplayer: Objectively, 14.0-0-0 is a better move. |
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sac: 22...Rg3