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|Jan-29-12|| ||RookFile: Nimzo plays like a beginner in this game.|
|Jan-30-12|| ||sneaky pete: <RookFile> That's why he played in the B(eginner's) Group in O(o)stende.|
Now please satisfy my curiosity and tell me: who was the worst patzer, Steinitz or Nimzowitsch, and state your reasons.
|Jan-30-12|| ||King Death: <sneaky pete> Yeah I'm waiting for the answer on this one too.|
There's another question that just begs for an answer: who makes a bigger fool of himself whenever they blat on about chess history, <RookFile> or <AVRO38>?
|Jan-30-12|| ||Aurora: Have you Americans heard of Denmark? It's in England|
|Jan-30-12|| ||AlphaMale: You must be thinking of Danelaw.|
|Jan-30-12|| ||AlphaMale: Has the Pesky Mices line on a GOTD already been used?|
|Jan-30-12|| ||King Death: <Aurora> There's an old saying here in America, "something's rotten in the state of Denmark." With respect to people like <SimonWebbsTiger> I don't know what it's supposed to mean.|
|Jan-30-12|| ||Shams: <King Death> Is it possible you don't know that you're quoting <Hamlet>? =)|
|Jan-30-12|| ||AlphaMale: Probably not. He seems particularly stupid.|
|Jan-30-12|| ||King Death: <Shams> More than possible, I've done more stupid stuff than that.|
|Jan-30-12|| ||Shams: Well, I accidentally called my law professor's ancestors prostitutes in class, so there's that.|
|Jan-30-12|| ||King Death: <Shams> Did your professor perform an act against your person which was prohibited by your state's penal code?|
|Jan-30-12|| ||Shams: Nothing like that, no. I hadn't read the case and I didn't let that stop me from commenting in class (not that this will surprise anyone familiar with my kibitzing style).|
|Jan-30-12|| ||RookFile: <Now please satisfy my curiosity and tell me: who was the worst patzer, Steinitz or Nimzowitsch, and state your reasons.>|
Not a hard question is it? Steinitz won matches, and Nimzo lost matches. Steinitz won the world championship, Nimzo got slapped around by champions. Steinitz came up with original theories: Nimzo was Steinitz's student.
Interesting, but in terms of this specific game, what can you say? 4... d5 was terrible, and by move 8, Nimzo is already down a pawn and has to waste more time castling by hand. Then, instead of playing defense, he sends his queen out to left field while his king position burns down. That's what happenned in this game. An 1800 guy could have taken white in this game and won easily.
|Jan-30-12|| ||TheFocus: <Steinitz won matches, and Nimzo lost matches.>|
Nimzo also won some matches, and Steinitz lost a couple of matches. A couple of important ones at that.
<Nimzo was Steinitz's student.>
Everyone was Steinitz's student. Nimzo helped found the hypermodern school, which had more influence (and students) than Steinitz's theories.
|Jan-30-12|| ||RookFile: TheFocus:
Steinitz had an excellent match record, and Nimzo had a poor match record.
Steinitz was playing hypermodern chess long before Nimzo was. Nimzo decided he only wanted to emulate the hypermodern aspect of Steinitz's play.
|Jan-30-12|| ||King Death: Very funny, <RookFile> got that last whacko comment deleted in a hurry. Now Steinitz started the hypermodern school.|
|Jan-30-12|| ||kamalakanta: Hard to compare Steinitz with Nimzovich; they are from different eras. Both contributed greatly to the advancement of chess.|
|Jan-30-12|| ||RookFile: Steinitz was among the pillars of modern chess. He was playing fianchettos and expercising piece control over the center from a distance long before Nimzo was. Steinitz also played games in the classical fashion. Nimzo decided to play only in the hypermodern way, which is fine, but he got his ideas on how to play this way from Steinitz.|
|Jan-30-12|| ||King Death: < kamalakanta: Hard to compare Steinitz with Nimzovich; they are from different eras. Both contributed greatly to the advancement of chess.>|
They sure did and one poster's prejudices and "contributions" here won't change that.
|Jan-30-12|| ||RookFile: Hey, King Death. Name an idea that Nimzo had that Steinitz didn't have before him.|
|Jan-30-12|| ||King Death: Why not try prophylaxis although I'm sure you'll come up with some smart aleck answer.|
|Jan-30-12|| ||RookFile: Well, prophylaxis is a wide topic. I could have no problem showing you numerous examples of Steinitz overprotecting e5, for example. Did you have something specific in mind?|
|Jan-30-12|| ||King Death: Sure you could find specific examples as interpreted by you. I could give you a chain of reasoning that proves I'm the greatest player of all time. A much easier one though is just to say that you're a troll and an idiot, like you prove here every day.|
|Jan-30-12|| ||RookFile: Give it a try, I think you'll find that I'm very fair. Is there some famous game of Nimzo's, anything, where the guy played an original idea, and folks said: "Wow! Nobody has played this idea before." |
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