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|Jul-09-09|| ||TheDestruktor: Well, it took less time than I expected to look at the final combination.|
My conclusion: after 27.Nd5, black is basically lost!
1) Black is a piece up, but the bishop in h7 is useless;
2) The two black rooks do not help on defense;
3) White attacks with queen, knight, AND TWO ROOKS, while black defends with queen and bishop.
4) Besides, the white rooks go to attacking squares gaining tempos over the black queen.
So white is technically down in material, but has an overwhelming material advantage where it matters.
Black's decisive mistake was 25...Qc7. A much better move was 25...Rb8, bringing the rook to reinforce the defense of the king, and gaining a tempo by forcing white to play 26.b3 (which, in turn, would make a future Rb3 impossible). Then, after 26...Qc7 27.Bh3 Rhf8, with the intention of ...f5, there would still be a game.
|Jul-09-09|| ||kevin86: Why the pun:The Wizard of Oz? I don't get it.|
|Jul-09-09|| ||Gregor Samsa Mendel: Ian Rogers is from Australia. He's an "Ozzie" (Aussie). (Rim shot.)|
|Jul-09-09|| ||nevski: How can a GM confine his bishop behind his own pawns!?|
|Jul-09-09|| ||WhiteRook48: spectacular!|
|Jul-09-09|| ||FSR: I agree with <Jonathan Sarfati> and others: it was ridiculous for Kasparov to sit in judgment on his own games and those of the other contenders. It's mind-boggling that the game selection committee allowed this to happen, and that Kasparov would be so ethically bereft as to participate on the committee under these circumstances.|
|Jul-09-09|| ||YetAnotherAmateur: I have to say, 22. ... Bh7? Why not trade the very bad bishop on g6 for the very good bishop on f5? I grant you, black's not in great shape by that point, but the very least you can do on the defensive is try to blunt your opponent's attack by simplifying the board when it's to your advantage.|
|Jul-09-09|| ||whatthefat: <WannaBe: Well, of course <whatthefat> is gonna pick an Aussie GM!!>|
I admit it, I succumbed to hopeless patriotism!
|Jul-10-09|| ||keypusher: <nevski: How can a GM confine his bishop behind his own pawns!?>|
Well, presumably he didn't think it would stay there forever! No doubt he expected to play ...Bg8 and ...f6 at some point. It's too bad, though, the sight of that locked-in bishop does detract from the game (and reminds me of this legendary encounter).
Kasparov vs Sting, 2000
|Jul-10-09|| ||ozmikey: <levelzx><Now, I'm only curious if anybody knows what are those three Gazza's games he submitted to 'Best Of' contest. Right now it seems to me that Kaspy insulted the jury with this move, but I have to check his games to make any further statements.>|
I'm pretty sure that one of them was Kasparov vs V A Loginov, 1992. Which is, admittedly, a fine game, but I'm not sure whether you'd call it a "brilliancy". That was the point that Anand made to Kasparov in the judges' meeting.
|Jul-10-09|| ||Jim Bartle: Maybe another was Kasparov vs Ivanchuk, 1992. It was #7 in the Informant's Best Games from issue 55.|
|Jul-10-09|| ||ozmikey: <Jim Bartle> I think you're right, that was the other one. Again, a great game but...not what most people would describe as a brilliancy.|
|Jul-11-09|| ||Peligroso Patzer: One could hardly call Black's resignation premature, but <in the final position, 32. ... Rc8 is interesting to analyze>. (All other moves allow White to force mate quickly.) |
In the position after a hypothetical 32. ... Rc8, White's only winning move is <33.Nb6+>, and then:
<[A]> 33. ... Qxb6 34.Rxb6 Rc7 35.bxc3 Rhc8 36.Rxd6 (White retains a huge positional advantage, and now has also an advantage in material.)
<[B]> 33...Kb8 34.Nxc8+ Kc7 35.Qxa7+ Kd8 36.Rxc3 Qd7 37.Qb6+ Ke8 38.Nxd6+ Kf8 39.Rc7 Qe6 40.Rxf7+ Qxf7 41.Nxf7 Kxf7 42.Qf6+ <Kg8!>< (Black "threatens" stalemate!, e.g., 43.a4?? draw>) ... but White has mate in 4 with: 43.f4! exf4 44.e5 f3 45.e6 f2 46.Qf7#.
|Jul-11-09|| ||Peligroso Patzer: BTW, since the stalemate idea (with 42. ... Kg8! in variation [B], above) was obviously the deep idea behind Milos's 22. ... Bh7?! and 23. ... g6!?,< ;-) > it is surprising that he resigned rather than try 32. ... Rc8 and 33. ... Kb8, etc.|
|Jan-11-10|| ||elohah: This game was puzzle #28 in John Emm's
book 'The Most Amazing Chess Moves of
It was one of the puzzles I FAILED,
because there was an alternate move
for Black on move 28, that Milos didn't play, and that Emm's did not
mention! I could not get 26 Bxc6+!!
to work for the longest time against
this move, so considered the move
unsound for a time!
It isn't, and Rogers move still works
even against my alternate move, which
|Jan-11-10|| ||elohah: What's Black trying to do with 28...Qa4! --?
He is trying to not lose a tempo!
I'll just crib from my marginal notes
Putting TWO stars by the game (given
in the solution), I have said:
'Conceptually, probably the most
complicated combo in this book.'
'24...gxf5 25 Nd5 Qd8 26 Rb3! wins'
(originally I had written 26 cb+, but
26...Kb8! is needlessly annoying on
27 'Crucially, this is still a TEMPO
28 'He now needs this tempo, e.g.:
28 Rb3? Ba5 29 Rdd3 Rb8! defends.'
28...'Booooonk! Thanx for handing the
tempo right back rather than playing
the much more critical 28...Qa4!
(which really needs to be evaluated,
since it's complicated)'
|Jan-11-10|| ||elohah: 'Basically, if WQ gets to either of
the white squares - b5 or a6, it's
game over. This vital alternative shows that even if WQ gets to C4, it's
also over! - e.g.: 28...Qa4! 29 b3!
Qa5 (29...Qxa3? 30 Qb5! Bb6 31 b4 wins) 30 Qc4! Bb6 (30...Qc5 31 Qa6!
wins.) 31 Qc6+ Kb8 32 b4 Qa6 (all forced).
And now, even here, this win is
complicated! 33 Qxd6+! Kb7 (33...Ka8?
34 Nc7+) 34 Nc7!! (Hitting Q, AND
covering b5 square!) 34...Qa4 35 Qd5+
mates. And if 34...Bxc7 35 Rxc7+ wins.'
Btw, in the game on Black's 30th move,
even had he played 30...Qc4, it's
still 31 Rdc3!!, which really is quite
nice. We can practically pronounce
Rogers a Chess GENIUS just on the basis of this game alone.
My final marginal comment on 26 Bxc6+!! :
'The fact that this same idea still
works tho one (two?) tempos down is
|Jan-11-10|| ||elohah: 'Just remember this my Gazz
when you look up iiiin the sky...!'
|Nov-01-10|| ||sevenseaman: What constitutes a brilliancy? An amazing move or a set of such moves that will not occur to the hoi polloi of the game.|
This game has more than one.
|Jan-30-11|| ||rilkefan: Got some elements of this - I was looking at 26.Bxc6 Qxc6 27.Nd5 Qd7 28.R over allowing the queen to penetrate, but didn't consider Bd8. I was also looking at 26.Nb5 (as ... Qxd7 27.Nxd6 looks strong) but without a clear plan after ...cxb5 27.Bxb5 except to try to get the bishop to d5 and benefit from the comic position of the h7 bishop.|
|Jan-30-11|| ||dzechiel: White to move (26?). Material even. "Insane."
You gotta love that black bishop on h7. It almost looks like one of those retro problems where you have to show how it could end up there. Black's real problem for the future is, of course, getting it out.
But in the meantime it seems that white must have some sort of winning combination. With most of black's pieces stuck on the king's side of the board, and white's domination of the d-file, it's tough to see how white could fail to win this.
Looking for forcing moves, we see...
26 Bxc6+ Qxc6
Of course the black queen does not HAVE to capture the bishop, but moving the king seems to be a much worse idea.
On the black bishop, taking a great post from which it cannot easily be removed), and clearing the third rank for the white rook (which will then clear the f1-a6 diagonal for the white queen). This knight is worth about a rook on this square.
OK, so what does black do? I see three candidate moves:
The move 27...Qb7 seems like it's just inviting white to move the rook with tempo by playing 28 Rb3, and 27...Qe8 allows 28 Nc7+ (oops).
OK, let's look at what's left:
This looks outright bad. After
the black queen doesn't have a good place to go. Moves like
28...Qb7 29 Nc7+ Kb8 30 Rb3
are difficult to explain. Or
28...Qd7 29 Nc7+ Kb8 30 Qb5+ Kc8 31 Nxe8+
No, that's not pleasant. OK, next is...
This really doesn't look good, black has cut his rooks off from defence of the king.
Ugh. Where does the queen go? Moves like Nc7+ and Rc8+ are waiting in the wings. I think the most likely of black's possible moves back on move 27 is
but I still think that white's best is
threatening 29 Rc7.
28...Rc8 29 Qa6
threatening 30 Nb6+ and 31 Nxd7 winning the queen.
OK, I confess that I don't see anything further (been on this about 25 minutes) and I want to know how this actually went down.
Time to check.
Very pretty with the queen "sac" at the end.
|Jan-30-11|| ||Phony Benoni: |
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First of all, resist the temptation to say that Black's a piece down. Once he plays ...f6, that LSB will have something to say about the rest of the game. That suggests White can't afford to meekly retreat the bishop, and needs to act now.
A few fantasy lines: 26.f4-f5-f6? Too slow, and not worth a piece.
26.Rxd6? Brings a little firepower toward the king, and gets out of the way of the queen. Would be nice if that bishop weren't on e7.
26.Nd5? Double attack on queen and bishop. If 26...Qxd7 27.Nb6+? No, the rook is still in the way of the queen. Drat that pawn on a3. Besides, Black can just take the knight.
But a lot of nice things might set up if White could safely play Nd5 and Nxe7.
So, by a process of daydreaming, <26.Bxc6+> suggests itself. 26...Qxc6 27.Nd5 attacks the e7. If Black protects, take it off and play Rxd6. If Black tries 27...Bd8, then Rc3 is with tempo and clears the way for the queen. Plus having the bishop blocking the rooks on the back rank could well be significant.
If Black doesn't take the bishop, then 27.Nd5 anyway.
I'll go with that for now, since no alternate plan suggests itself. As long as White keeps Black on the run and doesn't let the h7 get out, there's not a lot of risk. And there could be a lot of fireworks.
|Jan-30-11|| ||al wazir: I guessed white's first three moves right, but I had NO clue how that was supposed to win. Nor do I see how to win after 32...Rc8.|
|Jan-30-11|| ||Phony Benoni: After <32...Rc8>:
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<33.Nb6+> looks like a win. 33...Kb8 34.Nxc8+ Kc7 (34...Ka8 35.Qxa7#) 35.Rxc3 wins the queen.
Best would be 33...Qxb6 34.Rxb6 (threatening mate on b7) Rb8 35.Rxb8+ Rxb8 36.Qc6+ Rb7 37.Qxc3. White has + for +, and it will be harder for Black to free the bishop on h7.
I certainly didn't see the finish after calculating the first three moves. But I would have been willing to go into the line, feeling the sacrifice would work out in the end. That's just my particular style; I'm more of an intuitive player than a deep calculator.
|Jan-30-11|| ||knight knight: Sunday. Material even, white bishop attacked, black bishop on h7 having a coffee break.|
I'm looking at 26. Nd5 first, having seen the line 26...Qd8 27. Bxc6+ Kb8 28. Rb3+ Kc8 29. Qa6# or 28...Qb6 29. Rxb6+ axb6 30. Nxe7 completely winning. But 26...Qxd7, and I'm not getting anywhere...
If 26. Na4, then after 26...Qxd7 we have a threat 27. Nc5. Black must move the queen, not the b-file allowing 28. Rb3, so 27...Qc7 say. Then 28. Na6... nope, stuck on this line too
Let's consider 26. Nb5. If 26...Qxd7 27. Nxd6 with discovery threats. 27...Bxd6 28. Rxd6 Qc8 say. Then 29. Qc4 Rd8 perhaps. 30. Rxd8 Rxd8 31. Rxd8 Qxd8 32. Qxc6+ Kb8 33. Qb5+ Ka8 34. Qxe5, three pawns for the piece, and black can't play 34... Qd1+ 35. Ka2 Qxc2 because of 36. Qh8+ picking up the bishop. If white can exchange queens, he's doing well, since the bishop can't immediately escape without loss of black's f-pawn. In fact, even without the exchange of queens, the f-pawn is still stuck.
Ok now what if 26. Nb5 cxb5? Then 27. Bxb5 with 28. Rc3 and 29. Bc6+ ideas. Black looks in trouble. Say 27...Qd8 28. Rc3 d5 29. Bc6+ Kb8 30. Rb3+ Kc7 31. Qa6 game over
If 26. Nb5 Qb6 27. Nxd6 pawn ahead with better position. If instead 26...Qb7 27. Nxd6 Qxd7? 28. Nxf7 Qxd3 29. Qxd3 Rxf7 30. Qc4 (fork) Rhf8 31. Qxc6+ Kb8 32. Qb5+ Kb8 33. Qxe5, ending up Q + 4P vs. R + B + B + exposed king (deja vu from yesterday!)
That's my effort anyway!
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