| Dec-09-03 |
| Whitehat1963: Why is this the only example in the database of 5. Qe2? I play against someone who uses this move all the time, and he does it very successfully. I have yet to find a strong move that refutes it. Anyone out there who can help? What does crafty have to say about it? |
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Dec-09-03
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| technical draw: I also have played 5.Qe2 with a lot of success. The problem is not 5.Qe2, the problem is that very few players now a days play the exchange variation in the Ruy. |
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| Dec-09-03 |
| Whitehat1963: Actually, just over a thousand games. That's not bad. Still, because only one game lists 5. Qe2, I suspect there's something fundamentally wrong with this move. I'd love to know what it is to be able to exploit it if possible. |
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Dec-09-03
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| Honza Cervenka: I think that there is nothing wrong with 5.Qe2, but it is hardly the best attempt of white to gain any considerable advantage from the opening in this variation. Of course, if you don't like to play book lines of the Exchange Variation of the Ruy Lopez, then it looks like an usable possibility. |
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| Dec-09-03 |
| Whitehat1963: So, then, Honza, do you have any suggestions for immediate replies? |
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| Dec-09-03 |
| Spitecheck: It's not even in Crafty's book so it analyses naturally. Reckons its better for black already. GM's would probably tell you that it's already equal (although tech disagrees I notice). Depth: 14 Nodes: 311182236 (752448 n/s)
Score: -0.15 Time: 413.56 seconds
5. ... Bd6 6. O-O Ne7 7. d3 O-O 8. a4 f6 9. Na3 b5 10. axb5 axb5 11. Be3 Be6 12. h3 |
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| Dec-09-03 |
| Whitehat1963: Thanks, Spitecheck. |
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| Dec-09-03 |
| catfriend: can somebody explain y was 25.Qh4 good? |
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| Dec-09-03 |
| Whitehat1963: Catfriend, agree. Why not take the knight? |
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| Dec-09-03 |
| Spitecheck: I think he's afraid of black playing ..Rf2 |
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| Dec-09-03 |
| Whitehat1963: That's why I come here: my myopia! |
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| Dec-09-03 |
| Spitecheck: That threatens Qa1 mate so Rd2 is practically forced. Where upon ..Rxd2 Kxd2 Qxb2+ Ke1 Rxd3 and that looks quite strong. |
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Dec-09-03
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| Chessical: <Whitehat1963> Retain the courage of your convictions, why not take the Knight? 26.gxh5 Qa1+ 27.Kc2 Rf2+ 28.Rd2 Rxd2+ 29.Kxd2 Qxb2+ 30.Ke1 Qxc3+ 31.Kf2 Qd2+ 32.Kf3 Rf8+ 33.Ke4 and white is "clearly" winning. |
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| Dec-09-03 |
| Whitehat1963: Chessical, what if black plays 25 ... Rf2 first? |
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Dec-09-03
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| Chessical: <Whitehat1963> We all seem to have posted at the same time! At the end of <Spitecheck's> line Black is getting mated after Qh8+, so I don't really understand the reference to Crafty. 25..Rf2 simply transposes into my first line. |
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| Dec-09-03 |
| Spitecheck: After prolonged thought from Crafty
Depth: 14 Nodes: 291465873 (910376 n/s)
Score: +0.00 Time: 320.16 seconds
26. ... Qa1+ 27. Kc2 Rf2+ 28. Rd2 Rxd2+ 29. Kxd2 Qxb2+ 30. Ke1 Qxc3+ 31. Kf2 Qc2+ 32. Kf3 Qxd3 33. Nxg6+ Kg7 34. Qe6 hxg6 35. Qxe5+ Kg8 36. Qe6+ Kg7 37. Qe5+ Perpetual. |
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Dec-09-03
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| Honza Cervenka: <Spitecheck> I think that Crafty (as well as my obsolete Fritz) evaluates the position as slightly better for black thanks to mechanical calculating of Bishop pair and open lines for development (according to computer's calculation it is more than damaged pawn structure). But it is not very significant here and the position is approximately equal. In fact, I would like to play it as white against any computer...:-) |
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Dec-09-03
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| Chessical: <Spitecheck> I do not think it is perpetual in the above line:
26. ... Qa1+ 27. Kc2 Rf2+ 28. Rd2 Rxd2+ 29. Kxd2 Qxb2+ 30. Ke1 Qxc3+ 31. Kf2 Qc2+ if White then plays <32.Kg3> with the the threat of Ng6+. I think it is a White win. |
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| Dec-09-03 |
| Spitecheck: Actually <chessical> white would win even with Kf3, getting Crafty further into the position along and it finds a win for white. I think I'm about ready to suggest that found the Qh4 line easier to calculate LOL!! Spitecheck |
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Dec-09-03
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| Chessical: <Spitecheck> What about 26.Qh2 hitting the e-pawn? That looks rather nasty for Black. |
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| Dec-09-03 |
| Spitecheck: Yeah it does in fact there wasn't a move for black I liked. Qe6 defends the pawn but than white's king is safer and white can off the black knight further exposing the black king. |
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