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Yacov Murey vs Erling Mortensen
Randers (1982)
King's Indian Defense: Saemisch Variation (E86)  ·  1-0
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Nov-07-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  Richard Taylor: I saw the solution to this puzzle an infinite number of birthdays before now.
Nov-07-05  greyfox: nice puzzle for a beautiful monday morning. i bet even the everybody got it right. hahaha!
Nov-08-05  JohnBoy: <patzer> - Indeed 19.g4! is a very nice move. The line you give entombing the black Q-side is slick. You are one mean man with Fritz in your corner!
Nov-08-05  dakgootje: <But you dontreelise hat Iam aheadof youi time -beingin Kiwi land -so I am in front of your infinity of time ahead of me -thus I ma First!!! WE Goolathons are not interested in puny human logic BTW - and whatever you are about to think of I have already thought of....in fact I think of things before I myself do.> right...Yeah but of course i have made an aweful evil but brilliant plan and because of that your plan doesnt work! Which is of course very logically because just before you thought of what you were about to write i thought about it too...cant I just change the speed of light in some areas, like Kiwi-land, so that your approaching the speed of light that closely that time is going slower for you then for us and ehm..in that way im faster all the same...Hmmm...yes...sounds evil enough...MUAHAHA...So even if you think your faster your times just going slower so im faster! MUAHAHA -BTW...does it feels good to think about something even before you tihnk about it...of course i know it myself...but want your opinion...-
Nov-08-05  Halldor: <TopaLove> You are right, 33.Qf6 wins also (but Black can postpone the mate by sacrificing his Queen - which is ugly and in the style of a computer). I should have started the puzzle a move later according to the game (after 33.Qd6+ Kg8): White to move - mate in 4.


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Actually I found this puzzle in an old newspaper, when I was surfing the internet. There the position was before 33.Qd6, and it said: “White mates in 5”... This brings the first part of the Quote of the Day to mind: <“Chess is too difficult to be a game, and not serious enough to be a science or an art.” --- Napoleon>.

Nov-08-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  kevin86: <who>maybe you are right. It's just that I thought this audience is more savvy than just beginners-but then again,it's what the Monday puzzles are for.

The "shortstop" was a take off on those who write "first" or "second".

Nov-08-05  sharpnova: <Viking55803> were u at least embarassed for saying it _afterwards_? i would hope so..
Nov-08-05  atrifix: <patzer2> Although White has an advantage in your line (extra pawn, bishop pair, better pawn structure), it is still a pretty technical win. Black can do much better with 24... Rfe8 and 25... Rac8 and attempt to bring the knight to c4 or e4 or a rook to the 2nd rank, although he may have to sacrifice a pawn or two in the process. The ending may be extremely difficult to win if it comes down to opposite colored bishops.

Fritz's solution with 25. Rd8+ and 28. Re1 is the most elegant, but finding it at the board would be very difficult even for a GM. A player typically does not look for a ten-move combination that involves the exchange of queens and one pair of rooks.

Of course 19. g4 is the easiest (and most practical). White probably played 19. Bc5 because he thought that the threat of Bxf8 and Qg8, in one order or another, was too forcing to be ignored, and underestimated (or just overlooked) 19... Bxe5.

Nov-09-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  patzer2: <atrifix> Agree 19. g4! is the easiest and most practical win, and that the win in the 19. Qd8! line is technical and difficult. My point is simply that 19. Qd8! is an alternative solution and a move worthy of study for learning a little about tactics without Queens on the board.
Nov-09-05  LIFE Master AJ: <patzer2, atrifix, etc.> Interesting dialogue. This is real pursuit of chess truth, was fun to follow, and was also good analysis. Thanks!
Nov-09-05
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  patzer2: <LIFEMasterAJ> Thanks again for your instruction, analysis and good humor. It's obvious to me that, in addition to being able to accurately analyze in great depth, you enjoy and have fun with the game.
Nov-09-05
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  chancho: <patzer2> Whatever you do, don't disagree with this guy's analysis.He'll turn on you in a nano second.
Nov-09-05  LIFE Master AJ: <patzer2> Thanks ... I try. (I really do.)

Believe it or not, when I build a web page (now), my number one priority is to make it acessible to the average player. Towards this end, I often take a game to the club and show it around ... often times taking notes.

Questions like ... "Why did he go there?" ... or ... "What makes this attack work?" is the kind of thing that I try to address first. While the GM may (or may not) find my web pages interesting, the 10-20 emails that I get every day (mostly positive) show that I occasionally even succeed.

As for having a sense of humor ... a friend says it has been <scientifically> proven that I do not possess such a faculty. (I also have not laughed at all at any time in the last thirty years ... ) <Of course, if you buy all that, please call me! I have some really good deals in real estate. A lovely seaside/waterfront property ... in Nevada.>

Nov-09-05
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  KingG: <patzer2> <Thanks again for your instruction, analysis and good humor. It's obvious to me that, in addition to being able to accurately analyze in great depth, you enjoy and have fun with the game.> I think you meant to post this on the Odd Lie page.
Nov-10-05  JohnBoy: So AJ can be a bit of a whack-job when discussions get personal. BFD. Read Keene's comments at yesterday's GOTD regarding Miles.

AJ's online game analysis is great to pour through, and he usually makes substantial comments here when the subject is the chess.

If we all avoid personal comments and stick to the chess this site will be about a million times better. This would entail eschewing things like "FIRST", "ME, ME, ME", and "10^-(10^83) secs".

Of course this means, given the way human beings are, that it ain't gonna happen.

Nov-10-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  chancho: <Johnboy> You're absolutely right.But it DOES take two to tango.If AJ could just talk about chess,(or anything else for that matter) without insulting other kibitzers whenever they disagree with him on one of his opinions,Then it would be much more peaceful in here.
Nov-10-05  LIFE Master AJ: "Whack job?"

What about all the ____s and trolls who daily spew forth insults, personal attacks, and all kinds of hurtful stuff? If it happned once a blue moon, maybe I could ignore it. (Maybe.) But when it happens all the time, occasionally I see the need to take issue with a few of these cretins. If that makes me a "whack job," then so be it.

Nov-10-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  chancho: <Life Master AJ> If you really make an effort to be polite to others in here, you will see that no one will spew anything at you. Just try it.
Nov-10-05  hayton3: <Life Master AJ> If you carried yourself with a little more humility and admitted to your mistakes people wouldn't give you such a hard time.
Nov-10-05  lopium: I have to say it and I think this is well known. In general chess players have a demeusurated ego. Some consequences are that they ignore weaker player comments and person. I mean in true life. I'm not thinking of anyone of us! ahahazz!! I know it, this is very strange. Ahahazz!!! I'm laughing hard. And today a friend told me that laugh therapy exists.... They do laugh in Japan before work in the industry.... Not all, some men. Nice!!! ahahahazz!! I want to try!!! Seems one of the nicest thing to do on Earth, don't you think???
Nov-11-05  JohnBoy: <AJ> - No great insult intended. There are lots of whack-jobs here who seem to think that this is a place to post whatever trivalities pop into the void between their ears. You are not one of these. I very much enjoy bantering chess with you and avoid any personal stuff. But you have to admit - you do get trapped pretty often in personal exchanges. The kind that I find irritating (for the $.02 its worth) and detracting from the chess discussion. The only reason I brought Miles into this was to point out that there are REAL whack-jobs running around, and your waxing defensive when some doofus throws a verbal jab your way is VERY minor stuff at best. Nuff said? Let's get back to the chess... I don't know you at all, but have observed that you are not bad at this game.
Nov-11-05  LIFE Master AJ: <JohnBoy>
Point(s) taken. (Just about everything you said was 100% valid.)

You almost admit is not a fair system. The rules here prohibit attacks. I can make a post that is not harmful or insulting to anyone, and one or two folks have to come in behind me and take a <cheap> shot.

I am not a saint, nor do I have infinite patience ... I just feel like shooting back sometimes. (Right - or wrong.)

Just being honest!

Nov-11-05  Steppenwolf: God,make me patient with Hayton...but do it fast!
Nov-12-05  JohnBoy: <AJ> - I take it you don't play blitz at Yahoo... That place is a foul-mouthed paradise. The number of times I've beaten someone who plays the clock rather than the board, only to face a stream of invective, is substantial. On going there, I have to be prepared for this possibility.
Nov-12-05  LIFE Master AJ: <JohnBoy>
I have found that I must keep where I play ... and what handle I play under ... sort of under my hat. (Don't ask.)

Yes, I play at Yahoo. Lots of people there who act exactly as you describe.

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