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|Nov-07-05|| ||chesscrazy: Nice smothered mate to start the week off.|
|Nov-07-05|| ||YouRang: <patzer2's puzzle> It wasn't obvious to me, in patzer2's line, why black didn't follow 19. g4 Bxe5 20. fxe5 with 20...Bxg4. But it appears to fail to 21. Bd4. The threat of discovered check (e6+) is too much. If black counters with 21...Nf6, then 22. e6+ Nxd4 23. Qxd4+, and the bishop on g4 will fall.|
|Nov-07-05|| ||Halldor: Here is a nice puzzle which has a similar theme. White to move, mate in 5 (the first move is easy and obvious).
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OK: a hint because it's Monday: White checks in all his moves. –
See the game: Sveshnikov vs Igor Ivanov, 1976
|Nov-07-05|| ||patzer2: <Haldor> Without a computer, it looks to be 1. Qd6+ Kg8 2. Ne7+ Kf8 3. Nxg6+ (double discovered check) 3...Kg8 4. Qf8+ Rxf8 5. Ne7#. Neat variation on the smothered mate theme. Thanks for sharing it.|
|Nov-07-05|| ||patzer2: <Atrifix> While 19. Qd8! is extremely difficult to calculate for ten moves, I think if you think about it positionally, the win may not be quite so complicated. |
After 19. Qd8! Na6 20. Qxc7 Nxc7 21. Nf7+ Kg8 22. Nh6+ Kh8 23. Nxf5 gxf5 24. Rd7 Black is in a bind after only five moves -- a pawn down with a weak isolated pawn and is about to drop another pawn.
From here, White's win seems to follow logically from Black's weak position. Play might continue24...Rfc8 25. Kb1 b5 26. Bb3 Re8 (not 26...a3 27. Rhd1!
Ne8 28. Bd5 Rad8 29. Ba7 and the Rook is trapped) 27. Re1 Ne6 28. Rxa7 , with White securing a second decisive pawn.
Although White has an easier and stronger win with 19. g4!, I think study of this position can be practical and useful in understanding middle games without Queens on the board.
|Nov-07-05|| ||Halldor: <patzer2> You've got it right!|
|Nov-07-05|| ||patzer2: <YouRang> After <19. g4 Bxe5 20. fxe5 Bxg4,> White's strongest reply per Fritz 8 is 21. e6!, when play might continue 21...Nc6 22. Bd4+ Nxd4 23. Qxd4+ (+3.34 @ 12 depth) with a winning attack. |
However, Fritz 8 gives your 21. Bd4! line (+ 1.62 @ 12 depth) as winning here also.
|Nov-07-05|| ||patzer2: <EmperorAtahualpa> <Halldor> Appreciate your comments. Thanks.|
|Nov-07-05|| ||Lewdog: Waldorf's mate...|
|Nov-07-05|| ||renecon: It's like smothered mate|
|Nov-07-05|| ||Luisenrique: En español se llama el mate de la coz del (caballo) o mate ahogado, traduccion del ingles.|
|Nov-07-05|| ||TopaLove: <Halldor> I thought about Qf6, it seems to be good.|
|Nov-07-05|| ||TopaLove: <Halldor> I checked your puzzle with Fritz. He moves Qd6+. But after I checked my sugestion Qf6 and I saw that there´s mate in 2|
|Nov-07-05|| ||n30: OK, I saw it in the puzzle almost instantly, but when playing through the game I sure as hell missed it. It's one thing to know it's a puzzle, it's another to see it in the game...|
|Nov-07-05|| ||Richard Taylor: <sharpnova: <Richard Taylor> CeeFor's "ouch" indicates that (s)he was making fun of your typo. that would imply the opposite of english not being his/her first language> It wasn't typo!! If he didn't realise the humour of it he wasn't very conversant with the subleties of dialect and the English language as I am. He was just being nasty -but that's ok - I forgive. (After in a sense we all 'experience' language in diferent ways).|
|Nov-07-05|| ||Richard Taylor: <dakgootje> But you dontreelise hat Iam aheadof youi time -beingin Kiwi land -so I am in front of your infinity of time ahead of me -thus I ma First!!! WE Goolathons are not interested in puny human logic BTW - and whatever you are about to think of I have already thought of....in fact I think of things before I myself do.|
|Nov-07-05|| ||Richard Taylor: Nor are we interested in petty details such as the correct spelling of words.|
|Nov-07-05|| ||Richard Taylor: I saw the solution to this puzzle an infinite number of birthdays before now.|
|Nov-07-05|| ||greyfox: nice puzzle for a beautiful monday morning. i bet even the everybody got it right. hahaha!|
|Nov-08-05|| ||JohnBoy: <patzer> - Indeed 19.g4! is a very nice move. The line you give entombing the black Q-side is slick. You are one mean man with Fritz in your corner!|
|Nov-08-05|| ||dakgootje: <But you dontreelise hat Iam aheadof youi time -beingin Kiwi land -so I am in front of your infinity of time ahead of me -thus I ma First!!! WE Goolathons are not interested in puny human logic BTW - and whatever you are about to think of I have already thought of....in fact I think of things before I myself do.> right...Yeah but of course i have made an aweful evil but brilliant plan and because of that your plan doesnt work! Which is of course very logically because just before you thought of what you were about to write i thought about it too...cant I just change the speed of light in some areas, like Kiwi-land, so that your approaching the speed of light that closely that time is going slower for you then for us and ehm..in that way im faster all the same...Hmmm...yes...sounds evil enough...MUAHAHA...So even if you think your faster your times just going slower so im faster! MUAHAHA
-BTW...does it feels good to think about something even before you tihnk about it...of course i know it myself...but want your opinion...-|
|Nov-08-05|| ||Halldor: <TopaLove> You are right, 33.Qf6 wins also (but Black can postpone the mate by sacrificing his Queen - which is ugly and in the style of a computer). I should have started the puzzle a move later according to the game (after 33.Qd6+ Kg8): White to move - mate in 4.
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Actually I found this puzzle in an old newspaper, when I was surfing the internet. There the position was before 33.Qd6, and it said: “White mates in 5”...
This brings the first part of the Quote of the Day to mind: <“Chess is too difficult to be a game, and not serious enough to be a science or an art.” --- Napoleon>.
|Nov-08-05|| ||kevin86: <who>maybe you are right. It's just that I thought this audience is more savvy than just beginners-but then again,it's what the Monday puzzles are for.|
The "shortstop" was a take off on those who write "first" or "second".
|Nov-08-05|| ||sharpnova: <Viking55803> were u at least embarassed for saying it _afterwards_? i would hope so..|
|Nov-08-05|| ||atrifix: <patzer2> Although White has an advantage in your line (extra pawn, bishop pair, better pawn structure), it is still a pretty technical win. Black can do much better with 24... Rfe8 and 25... Rac8 and attempt to bring the knight to c4 or e4 or a rook to the 2nd rank, although he may have to sacrifice a pawn or two in the process. The ending may be extremely difficult to win if it comes down to opposite colored bishops.|
Fritz's solution with 25. Rd8+ and 28. Re1 is the most elegant, but finding it at the board would be very difficult even for a GM. A player typically does not look for a ten-move combination that involves the exchange of queens and one pair of rooks.
Of course 19. g4 is the easiest (and most practical). White probably played 19. Bc5 because he thought that the threat of Bxf8 and Qg8, in one order or another, was too forcing to be ignored, and underestimated (or just overlooked) 19... Bxe5.
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