|Jan-06-11|| ||Raisin Death Ray: Two all-time greats in an important tournament, and white wins after 100 moves, and NO KIBITZING?!|
What's the deal?
|Jan-06-11|| ||Phony Benoni: You said it yourself: 100 moves. Who looks at games like that?|
|Jan-06-11|| ||MaxxLange: Fritz says that Najdorf missed a quick win with the pawn sac 26 Rh4!!|
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|Jan-08-11|| ||Dredge Rivers: <Phony Benoni> Dude, he also pointed out:|
1. The game involved two of the greatest of all time.
2. It was in an important tournament.
3. It was decisive.
How often does that happen with a 100 mover?
<MaxxLange> That's more like it! Keep it up!
Now, would anyone else like a shot at it?
|Jan-08-11|| ||Phony Benoni: <Dredge Rivers> I was trying to make a joke. Now you know why I never win Funniest Kibitzer.|
But I think it's true that we don't look a lot at long games, regardless of the cirucumstances in which they were played. How many books have you seen containing only miniatures? How many containing only games of 75 moves or longer?
Many of the sea serpents contain long, technical passages, which also makes them unattractive. There aren't many the caliber of Lasker vs Ed Lasker, 1924 or Bronstein vs Panno, 1973, which are utterly fascinating throughout.
This is an unfortunate attitude which causes us to ignore a lot of great games. But I don't think the time will come when chess players prefer a book with 10 great long games to one with 50 great miniatures.
|Jan-09-11|| ||nescio: <Dredge Rivers: 1. The game involved two of the greatest of all time.|
2. It was in an important tournament.
3. It was decisive.>
4. It was an important game for the standings. After the 16th round Najdorf was in the lead with 13, Stahlberg and Reshevsky had 12, Gligoric 10.5, Euwe 10. Because Reshevsky only drew, Najdorf increased his lead and had the tournament in the bag.
Najdorf might also have won quicker by giving back the exchange at the 50th: 50.Rxc6 Rxc6 51.Rxa4, for example 51...Ke6 52.Kb5 Kd5? 53.c4+ (Euwe).
|Jan-09-11|| ||keypusher: <Raisin Death Ray: Two all-time greats in an important tournament, and white wins after 100 moves, and NO KIBITZING?!>|
<Phony Benoni> Maybe this guy was trying to make a joke too. Somehow I doubt it.
There may more intrinsically stupid kinds of posts than the "Omigod I can't believe there is no kibitzing on this game" type. But there aren't many.
|Jan-09-11|| ||Dredge Rivers: <Phony Benoni> I think that books should be written about great games, regardless of their length. I hate lengthism! :)|
BTW, if you're making a joke, I find one of these :) helps! :)
|Jan-10-11|| ||Phony Benoni: <Dredge Rivers> I don't feel the need to use smileys, since most people around here have learned never to take anything I say seriously. Despite this, I would like to offer some thoughts about why some games have no kibitzing.|
1) I think people tend to search for and kibitz on games they have seen published before. You know, like D Byrne vs Fischer, 1956 or Morphy vs Duke Karl / Count Isouard, 1858 or Rotlewi vs Rubinstein, 1907 or Steinitz vs Von Bardeleben, 1895. I seriously doubt this game has been published elsewhere, unless in a tournament book or a collection of a player's games.
2) Neither player has "Star power", at least not like Fischer or Capablanca or Morphy or Tal. This is not simply due to playing strength; you could make a good argument that both these players were stronger than Marshall or Nezhmetidinov, but the games of the latter players probably draw more kibitzes.
3. Usually, tournaments don't matter unless they have received a lot of publicity. I doubt that Cambridge Springs, 1904 was stronger than Amsterdam, 1950, but about 50% of its games have kibitzes as opposed to about 20% of Amsterdam's game.
4. This may have been a crucial game, but if kibitzers aren't familiar with the tournament they're not going to know that.
In short (or in long for this game), I think the games that get kibitzes are generally familiar games from well-known players. Of course there is serendipity, and one of the nicest things about a site like this are recommendations from other kibitzers. However, since less that 15% of the 572,000 games in this database have kibitzing, it's obviously more surprising for games to have kibitzing!
<keypusher> I must confess that I'm not immune to that remark you dislike so much: Fischer vs Spassky, 1972
|Jan-10-11|| ||keypusher: <<phony benoni> I must confess that I'm not immune to that remark you dislike so much: Fischer vs Spassky, 1972>|
Here is what I have to say on the subject. Some good points! But funny it is not.
Lputian vs Kasparov, 1976
|Jan-11-11|| ||Raisin Death Ray: <keypusher> Make fun of me all you want, but my comment accomplished its purpose, didn't it? :)|
|Jan-12-11|| ||keypusher: <Raisin Death Ray: <keypusher> Make fun of me all you want, but my comment accomplished its purpose, didn't it? :)>|
Getting kibitzes is easy. (Slamming a player lots of people care about is pretty much foolproof.) In fact stupid kibitzes generally breed more comments than intelligent ones. Congratulations.
|Jan-12-11|| ||Raisin Death Ray: <keypusher> <Getting kibitzes is easy.>|
And putting an end to pointless conversations is hard.
|Jan-12-11|| ||Everyone: We are all born mad. Some remain so.|
|Jan-14-11|| ||Raisin Death Ray: <Everyone> <We are all born mad. Some remain so.>|
"Some remain so" what? Please finish your sentences! <Everyone> should know that, already! :)
|Jan-14-11|| ||MaxxLange: "some are born mad, and some remain so" is a perfectly clear English sentence. |
"so" is a relative pronoun in a dependent clause, and obviously refers back to the noun phrase predicate.
Are you a native English speaker? This sentence would only seem wrong to a foreigner or to a poorly educated native speaker, in my opinion.
|Jan-14-11|| ||MaxxLange: Have you read any Shakespeare?|
|Jan-14-11|| ||HeMateMe: I saw the movie with Leonardo Dicaprio and Claire Danes. I think he was prettier than Claire.|
|Jan-15-11|| ||Check It Out: I thought Najdorf was going to smash with a kingside attack, but it just didn't happen. The ending was tense. I could feel the prolonged concentration these guys were maintaining for what must have been a seven-plus hour game. They must have been exhausted, considering how many rounds had already been played.|
I'm surprised there aren't more high quality kibitzes to this game. ;)
Most games I look at pop up on the CG radar because of any old remark, so I appreciate even the simple comments on cool games.
|Jan-16-11|| ||Raisin Death Ray: <MaxxLange> <Are you a native English speaker?> Oui! I sprechen zie English muy bien!|
Seriously, Maxy, the symbol :) indicates that the speaker is joking IN ANY LANGUAGE!
Are you a native Earthling? :)