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| Apr-23-03 | | bishop: 21...Bd4! |
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| May-24-03 | | ZScore: All variations lead black to a winning endgame. |
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May-24-03
 | | Sneaky: An interference tactic. |
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| May-24-03 | | djp: I haven't played this all the way out, but what would be wrong with 22. Qxd8 ? At least white would be better off than with Rxd4. |
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| May-24-03 | | Bears092: Bxe3+
Black has a piece for a pawn. |
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| May-25-03 | | djp: 22. Qxd8 Bxe3+
23. Kh1 (or Kf1) Bxc1
24. Qxe8+ Rxe8
24. Rxc1.
Then both sides are down to a rook and a bishop/knight and white's up a pawn. Unless I'm missing something.
Or if black chooses 23. ...Rexd8 then
24. Rxd8+ Rxd8
25. Any rook move to avoid capture by bishop.
At least white winds up better than he did in
the game. |
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| May-25-03 | | skakmiv: 22.Qxd8 Bxe3 23. Kf1 Rxe8 and black i up a knight. |
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Jan-19-05
 | | cu8sfan: Nice interference which I found fairly quickly. At a first glance I thought White was better and had a tactic available. Many opportunities for White to answer 21. d4 but none of them is good for him. |
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| Jan-19-05 | | Fresh: I dont like how white played.
Im not a GM or any kind of master at chess but I do know how to play and have played some decent games in my days and I don't like how white played somethings. First of all move 15 for white...Why in the world did he sacrifice his Knight? I do not see a nice counter attack of anykind after sacrificing his piece. Next...I like how he advances his other Knight in place of his fallen one which he gave away, but move 19 was a complete waste of a move. Then after just giving away another piece (while it being an advanced pawn)I don't like how he swaps his other Knight for black's bishop!! This really agravated me. Few things why...He has already given away a piece so I would say that he needs to take that rook because it is a stronger piece; By taking that bishop he allows black to move his other rook onto an open file. I guess I don't know, If you guys have anything to say I'd like to hear about it. |
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| Jan-19-05 | | Shah Mat: now theres no way white can avoid losing another bishop. |
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| Jan-19-05 | | Shah Mat: <First of all move 15 for white...Why in the world did he sacrifice his Knight?> well after 15 Ndb5 white has a strong initiative and a very strong positional possibilities. when he posts his knight on d6, he is well developed and his knight has a stranglehold on most of black's pieces. but i think you're right about 19 c6? this was a blunder that squandered his advantage. it would have been better to capture the rook at this point or perhaps entrench himself with 19 b4. |
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| Jan-19-05 | | Novice713: Why does White play 22. Rxd4, capturing with his rook? |
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| Jan-19-05 | | Shah Mat: if he captures with 22 Bxd4?? he hangs (and loses his queen) to 22...Qxd7
if he captures with his queen (22 Qxd4??) he loses his queen to the knight. he has to capture immediately to avoid the devastating fork Bxe3+ adn to protect his queen, who is unprotected after the interfereing 21 Bd4! |
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| Jan-19-05 | | peterk007: ... and if white tries to be smart 24 Qxe8+, deflecting the black Q from d4; 24 ... Qxe8 25. Bxd4 gaining 2 pieces and a pawn for the Q for a short moment; and now the R on d1 is overworked having to protect the B on d4 and the R on c1: 25. ... Nxd4 and neither 26. Rxc8 Nxe2+ nor 26 Rxd4 Rxc1+ works out. Another white piece is gone. |
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| Jan-19-05 | | Shah Mat: are you talking about a line in the game? because white's 24th move has to remove his king from check. |
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| Jan-19-05 | | peterk007: <Shah Mat> I mixed up the move numbers. It starts after 21. ... Bd4. So it is 22. Qxe8+ instead of 22. Rxd4. Sorry. |
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| Jan-19-05 | | Shah Mat: in your line, white's best bet after 23. Bxd4 Nxd4 would be 24. Bc4 (to parry Ne2+) and after 24...Rd8 black's material advantage will undoubtedly win the day, even against best defence. |
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Jan-19-05
 | | jahhaj: <I dont like how white played.> I thought White's play against a top GM was very enterprising. It's a shame that it didn't work out better for him. |
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| Jan-19-05 | | darook: I think this game should be called: "White's tactical shot misfires" |
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| Jan-19-05 | | euripides: <fresh> 15 Nb5 will have been based on some concrete calculations. I guess that White was exepcting to come out with at least a rook and a pawn for two pieces, rather than sacrificing a piece for positional compensation - it's impossible to sy exatly what he saw, but he might already have seen to his move 20 and thought he was winning. The idea of 19 c6 is either to deflect the e5 knight from the defence of d7 (as in the game) or to leave the knight without a retreat square after 19...bxc6 20 f4. By 20 Nxc8 White probably expected to come out a clear pawn ahead, rather than with a rook and pawn for two minr pieces after 20 Nxe8. This would be the right decision if it weren't for 21...Bd4, which White may simply have missed. White lost this game because his calculations were faulty, not because of his judgement, I think. |
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| Jan-19-05 | | euripides: White could also have tried to dislodge the knight on e5 with 19 f4. However, then Black has 19...Nc6 20 Nxc8 Raxc8 21 Qxd7 Qxd7 22 Rxd7 Rxe4 with some complications e.g. 23 Kf2 Rce8 24 Rd3 and although I think White can avoid losing a piece it is not simple. The line played by White probably looked simpler. 21...Bd4 would also work in this line, but I assume White missed it in both lines. |
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| Jan-19-05 | | Camus: what about 19.f4 Nc6 20.Nxf7 ? For example: 20. ... Kxf7 21.Bc4+ ...
a)21. ...Re6 22.f5
b)21. ...Ke7 22.Qd6#
c)21. ...Kf6 22.Bg5#
d)21. ...Kf8 22.Qd5 Qf6 23.Bg5...
Is there something I missed? |
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| Jan-19-05 | | euripides: <Camus> It looks good. Black may be able to reject the sacrifice with 20...Qe7 21 Bc4 Kf8, when material is equal and White looks much better though I don't see a forced win. I'm not sure if Black could contemplate 20...Kxf7 21 Bc4+ Re6 22 f5 Nde5 giving the rook back. |
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| Jan-19-05 | | Cyphelium: <Camus> You are trying to play the bishop on e3 right through the pawn on f4 in both c) and d). In c), white can play 22. Qc3+ winning instead. However, line d) seems critical. 23. e5 looks strong, but then 23.- Ne7! is a bit tricky: 24. exf6 Nxd5 25. fxg7+ Kxg7 and black still is a piece up, even if white might have some compensation. 24. Qxd7 Qc6! seems to hold too. |
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| Jan-19-05 | | greystar69: There are a lot of combinations here. Just one question though - is this game totally lost for white? I would've thought with a bishop pair on an open board like this, plus the extra pawn, there would still be enough counterplay to making fighting on for a draw worthwhile. |
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sac: 20...Rxc8