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|Jun-05-05|| ||patzer2: I thought 19...Rd4! was a particularly good GM positional move, taking advantage of the pin to position the Rook on an ideal square and providing a transition to the endgame with a slight but sure advantge for Black.|
|Jun-05-05|| ||patzer2: The puzzle solution 24...Rd8! is another repositioning of the Rook to an ideal square, retreating and targeting White's weak isolated kinside pawn(s). |
<Jahhah>'s suggested defense of <25. g4!?> is probably White's best try to hold the draw. But as Crafty indicates, Black has all the winning chances in the position. Fritz 8 gives 25. g4
Rd4 26. b3 (26. g5 f2 27. Rh8+ Kd7 28. Rh7 Ke8 29. c3 Re4 ) 26... Rxg4 27. Kd2 Re4 28. a3 Kd7 29. c4 b6 30. b4 Rd4+ 31. Ke1 Ke7 32. b5 Bb7 33. a4 c5 34. bxc6 Bxc6 35. Rh8 Re4+ 36. Kf2 Rxe5 (-2.25 @ 18 depth & 1207kN/s).
|Jun-05-05|| ||pdl521: I will also take 24..Bb5 as a first option.|
|Jun-05-05|| ||Granite: 25th! Do I get a cookie and juice now?|
|Jun-05-05|| ||Frankly: Does it count if one calculated all the way up to but before Be2 (the killer, and the magic of it all), and then stopped calculating, went to the game, saw the white moves in response, did not peep for the next move, and then, once the position had crystallised before one's eyes, saw Be2?? I suppose not, since OTB that sort of short calculation at move 24 would mean one would not try it at all - except when feeling daring. But the other moves just seemed so correct, and there had to be some sort of a killer, yet it felt like winning even before Be2, did it not? Anyway, great problem, and one I have to say I did not quite get all the way.|
|Jun-05-05|| ||lopium: I was sure of the first move of the puzzle.|
|Jun-05-05|| ||aw1988: Once again, we have utter morons gabbing about who is first or second or whatever. How the hell does it matter? Anyways, what a great puzzle!|
|Jun-05-05|| ||MoonlitKnight: Very instructive combination by Dr. Nunn!|
|Jun-05-05|| ||buscher07: <aw1988> We "utter morons" are just trying to be funny, sorry if you find it unamusing. |
Have a nice day everyone!! :)
|Jun-05-05|| ||aw1988: Humor I can handle. Being serious, however...|
|Jun-05-05|| ||buscher07: I thought this was a good puzzle, but I was totally lost at first and trying to find the move for the other color, but it was after midnight when I was looking at it for the first time... so as a result, I had to look at the game to figure it out. lol.|
|Jun-05-05|| ||maxxowar: i found the same fourknight's line with 24...Bb5 and it seems to win.|
|Jun-05-05|| ||chessboyhaha: Why not 24..Rd1+ 25.Kxd1 fxg2?
|Jun-05-05|| ||Strategic Joker: chessboyhaha because of Rd1+?? Kxd1 fxg2 Bxg2 Bxg2 Rh7 winnin that pawn and the game|
|Jun-05-05|| ||Akavall: <fourknights: what about 24...Bb5 25. Bxb5 fxg2 26. Rg5 Rxb5 27. Rxg2 Rxe5 winning the pawn>|
This is the what I saw, can white easily draw that endgame? Those e and f pawn seem pretty dangerous.
|Jun-05-05|| ||NoorBeckwith: <fred64> <white pawn> I actually don't know who this guy is. It's a cool picture though, isn't it?|
|Jun-05-05|| ||Richard Taylor: I think the "first" or "last" thing is now mostly a joke as is the "I got it ! " or "I missed it!" or "Does it count if I got the first three moves?" and so on -in reality no one cares whether one was first second third or whether one got it or not...but it's a little harmless fun...but who was the first person to say "First!"?|
|Jun-06-05|| ||catfriend: Me! I was the first! The last! "I am alpha and omega" :)|
We in a math course used to joke "I am alpha and omega and psi and r(cos tetta + i sin tetta)"...
I got it, I missed it, solved it in -3 seconds, I actually was the one who played this game, can 24..Rd3 be counted as victory?
|Jun-06-05|| ||jahhaj: The problem with 24... b5 is the forced line 25. c4 xc4 26. xc4 fg 27. g5 c5 28. xg2 xc4+ 29. d2. That looks hard to win to me although it may well be won for Black.|
|Jun-06-05|| ||kevin86: The exchange sac at e2-is white's only freeing move---but---it would leave him an exchange down! After the pawn moves are exausted-the only alternative is to lose the bishop.|
Therefore,white is lost!
|Jun-07-05|| ||Autoreparaturwerkbau: <aw1988> I'm 42th! I'm 42th!|
Pal, relax, that's just our another hyped pathetic way to be humurous...
|Jan-10-10|| ||randomsac: I think this is a perfect example of zugzwang. It's a rather hard concept for me to enforce on the board, but it's really cool to see it at work.|
|Aug-24-12|| ||Abdel Irada: <Self-inflicted injuries>|
Both players were commendably stubborn about the f3-g2 pawn standoff, but 26. g3? makes no apparent sense. After the obvious 26. ...xg3, Black virtually can't help winning, particularly when White zwangs his own zugs.
|Aug-24-12|| ||nummerzwei: <Abdel Irada: <Self-inflicted injuries>
Both players were commendably stubborn about the f3-g2 pawn standoff, but 26. g3? makes no apparent sense. After the obvious 26. ...xg3, Black virtually can't help winning, particularly when White zwangs his own zugs.>|
What do you propose instead?
|Aug-24-12|| ||Abdel Irada: <nummerzwei>:
Good point. On my first look at the game, I overlooked that after 26. gxf3, g1; 27. f2, Black has 27. ...b5.
Amaurosis schacchisti has set in. :-(
Of course, as the result shows, saving the bishop didn't mean saving the game; it was merely the choice of arsenic over cyanide.
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