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|Jun-05-05|| ||Saruman: I saw that 24.-Rd8-g8 would win.|
|Jun-05-05|| ||superiorNOshow: what about an exhange sac on move 24. with rxe5,rxe5,fg,bxg2,bxg2 which gives black two connected passed pawns with bishop against rook. I assume it would be quite difficult to stop.And of course I know rd8 is MUCH more effective.|
|Jun-05-05|| ||Fred64: <noorbeckwith> who is the picture of?|
|Jun-05-05|| ||nateinstein: Fifth|
|Jun-05-05|| ||maxundmoritz: What about 24...f2? It could continue 25.c4 Rd4 26.g4 Re4 27.Kd2 Re1 28.Bd3 f1Q 29.Bxf1 Rxf1. It looks that this would be won for Black as well. Is there any better defense for White?|
|Jun-05-05|| ||white pawn: <Fred64>Adam of course, the first man on Earth. That's what he meant by "first" right?|
Anyway, great puzzle. The white king is tied up along with his comraddes, whilst the black king is free to roam and gobble up the enemy pawns! Nice.
|Jun-05-05|| ||buscher07: <white pawn> I am guessing that he meant he was first to kibitz on this page, but of course you could always be right...|
Have a nice day everyone!! :)
(Eighth) - lol ;)
|Jun-05-05|| ||jahhaj: 24... f2 looks like a win to me, and that's the move I went for, but it's not as cute as the line Nunn played.|
I missed 24... d8. I saw the possiblity of the bishop forking the rook and the d1 square (e.g. after 25. gf xf3) but dismissed it's significance because I thought white would always have h8+ to escape any fork. This should have made me consider d8 but it didn't.
|Jun-05-05|| ||farrooj: Hey guys!
this is a really nice puzzle! I saw the rook move but i didn't see the whole combo, so it doesn't count :(
|Jun-05-05|| ||jahhaj: 25. g4 looks a better defence for White. Black could even go wrong with 25... f2 26. c4 f3 27. c2 xg4 28. h2 which looks pretty equal. Instead 25... d4 keeps an advantage for Black but it's not nearly as clear cut as the game continuation.|
|Jun-05-05|| ||halcyonteam: cute move....Rd8 attack can be so fun!|
|Jun-05-05|| ||crafty: 25. g4 d4 26. c4 d7 27. b3 xg4 28. d2 d4+ (eval -1.49; depth 15 ply; 2000M nodes)|
|Jun-05-05|| ||cheski: Nunn doesn't mention this one in his book "Best Games", so maybe he isn't all that proud of this move. |
My first choice was also 24...f2 after which any pawn move will get White into trouble.
|Jun-05-05|| ||Sneaky: One might call this one "Reynolds Wrap" :-D|
|Jun-05-05|| ||cade: Sixteenth|
|Jun-05-05|| ||OhioChessFan: I guess I'll have to break down and play these out on a board. No way in the world I'll see 18 ply. For what it's worth, I was going with 24...f5 and White's e pawn looks like a goner. Can anyone explain why white didn't just take gxf3 on move 25?|
|Jun-05-05|| ||Sneaky: 25.gxf3? Bxf3 threatens both the rook and Rd1#.
|Jun-05-05|| ||Richard Taylor: Last. Missed it as well as being last - I am last and a failure. A terrible, terrible failure -I have failed to be first and I have failed to solve this problem - I am what the Americans call a "loser" - I will now use my service revolver to correct this problem. It has been a wonderful life please do not grieve for me...|
|Jun-05-05|| ||child of my tears: White is in a horrible bind after 29... Be2! The black king will then have his wicked way with the white pawns, then he queens and white can do nothing about it.|
|Jun-05-05|| ||Autoreparaturwerkbau: Twentyoneth ... y'all so pathetic.|
|Jun-05-05|| ||fourknights: what about 24...Bb5 25. Bxb5 fxg2 26. Rg5 Rxb5 27. Rxg2 Rxe5 winning the pawn|
and if 25. c4 then ..Bxc4 26. Bxc4 fxg2 27. Rg5 Rc5 28. Rxg2 Rxc4+ Maybe??
|Jun-05-05|| ||patzer2: According to the opening explorer, this opening setup has not been good for White. After 1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Bg5 Nbd7, White won 25.7% but Black won 47.7% of 218 games recorded.|
The one possible line where White has had a little success is with 4. Qd3!?, where White's winning percentage is 50% to Black's 27.8% in a small sample of 18 games. A few examples of possible play in this line are Smyslov vs Geller, 1977 , W Shipman vs Dzindzichashvili, 1993 , Hector vs Koneru, 2003 and Hector vs B Lindberg, 2003.
|Jun-05-05|| ||patzer2: I thought 19...Rd4! was a particularly good GM positional move, taking advantage of the pin to position the Rook on an ideal square and providing a transition to the endgame with a slight but sure advantge for Black.|
|Jun-05-05|| ||patzer2: The puzzle solution 24...Rd8! is another repositioning of the Rook to an ideal square, retreating and targeting White's weak isolated kinside pawn(s). |
<Jahhah>'s suggested defense of <25. g4!?> is probably White's best try to hold the draw. But as Crafty indicates, Black has all the winning chances in the position. Fritz 8 gives 25. g4
Rd4 26. b3 (26. g5 f2 27. Rh8+ Kd7 28. Rh7 Ke8 29. c3 Re4 ) 26... Rxg4 27. Kd2 Re4 28. a3 Kd7 29. c4 b6 30. b4 Rd4+ 31. Ke1 Ke7 32. b5 Bb7 33. a4 c5 34. bxc6 Bxc6 35. Rh8 Re4+ 36. Kf2 Rxe5 (-2.25 @ 18 depth & 1207kN/s).
|Jun-05-05|| ||pdl521: I will also take 24..Bb5 as a first option.|
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