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|Jul-25-08|| ||Madman99X: It seems that Hsu was in his teens when he played this match. (According to CG.com, he played in under 20 events in 1993, a year after this was played.)|
|Oct-15-10|| ||sevenseaman: Pesky bites are irksome.|
|Sep-15-11|| ||hedgeh0g: It's funny how, after the game's first capture, White is essentially lost.|
|Feb-15-12|| ||LawrenceBernstein: Yes, straight out of Averbakh-Kotov 1953!
Averbakh vs Kotov, 1953
|Feb-03-13|| ||Old King Cole: Mackenzie v. Mason, 1878 (a top game by Mackenzie), has a similar queen and knight sacrifice.|
|Feb-03-13|| ||jovack: beauty, if king takes the bait (queen appropriately) he gets locked up|
|Feb-03-13|| ||HeMateMe: Oh, that Q-h4, grabs loose Rook is gorgeous. Nice to see moves like that in GM chess.|
|Feb-03-13|| ||newzild: What a brilliant queen sac!
I see others have already mentioned the classic Averbakh-Kotov, although the mate after 24. Kxh4 is more straightforward here.
|Feb-03-13|| ||morfishine: Nunn too soon|
|Feb-03-13|| ||Abdel Irada: To me, it was less impressive that Nunn saw and played the imposing 23. ...Qh4† (by which time his opponent could also see enough of the consequences to decline the sac), but that he predicated his 22. ...Nxg3!!, and the moves required to set it up, on this tactical plan.|
In particular, he must have had some idea like this in mind when he played 21. ...Qd8!, which contrary to my initial impression White cannot well meet with 22. Nf1 thanks to 22. ...f4 23. Qf2?, Bf6! . (Somewhat better in this line are (a) 23. gxf4, Nxf4 or (b) 23. g4?!, Qh4 24. Rd1, Ng3 )
This move ruled out, perhaps <Jim>'s 22. exf5 is best, although after 22. ...gxf5, I still prefer Black thanks to his pressure on the kingside dark squares and better central pawn structure.
|Feb-03-13|| ||Cemoblanca: Greetings from Averbakh VS Kotov! ;)|
|Feb-03-13|| ||Abdel Irada: I see some similarities to Averbakh vs Kotov, 1953, but they are mostly thematic. |
These sorts of positions arise with some frequency in the KID/Old Indian opening complex (in fact, they have arisen in many of my blitz games), so it's not surprising to see the reappearance of the theme; nor, however, does it diminish Nunn's achievement in *this* game.
The distinction between this game and Averbakh vs. Kotov is that here the queen sac could have been prevented, but there was no way to avoid positional concessions in doing so, while in the latter, White was simply and fatally a move too slow to hold off the threat.
One might almost say that here the queen sac was a strategic threat, while in A vs. K it was purely tactical. :-)
|Feb-03-13|| ||fischer2009: The queen sac is a great one.But then looking at the game I just dont understand black playing 14...Qb6 and then shuffling it back to c7 and then d8.Isnt the black queen needed on the kingside to have tactical strokes on white's king.The only point I see is preventing white's plan of Nb3 but is it really so important? Anybody who can find some ideas here do reply.|
|Feb-03-13|| ||perfidious: In Nunn's collection of best games, he gave the finish of this game (I believe from the position after White's 21st) and noted Shirov's bemusement after 21....Qd8.|
Nunn's closing comment was hilarious-words to the effect that he understood why Alekhine sometimes 'improved' the finish in games he had played.
|Feb-03-13|| ||Tired Tim: Is it just me, or does anyone else see the resemblance between J Nunn and M Ali?|
|Feb-03-13|| ||newzild: <fischer2009>
I play the King's Indian Defence and to be honest I also think that 14...Qb6 looks odd. Black would normally rush to play ...f5 in a blocked King's Indian. I don't think that 15. Nb3 was really a "threat" because it allows Black to exchange off is poorly-placed Na5.
As for 17...Qc7, Black had to move his queen too meet the threatened 18. b4, when Black's c-pawn is pinned against his queen. I think Nunn would have prefered to play 17...Qd8, but then White could play 18. b4 anyway with Queenside pressure.
|Feb-04-13|| ||Moszkowski012273: Move that lost this game (IMHO) 9.Nd2 instead of 9.Qd3. How a 2400 could decide to purposely imprison his black bishop is beyond me.|
|Feb-04-13|| ||kevin86: Am I correct that the Ali-Frazier III fight (the Thrilla' in Manila) was really fought is Quezon City? I do know that the Karpov-Korchnoi WC match was in Bacquio.|
|Feb-04-13|| ||kevin86: or rather,Baguio.|
|Feb-04-13|| ||perfidious: <kevin86> Quezon City it was:|
|Feb-04-13|| ||morfishine: <kevin86> The 'Thrilla in Manila' was fought in Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines|
The reason they called it the 'Thrilla in Manila' is it sounds cool and they couldn't come up with anything catchy that rhymes with Quezon
|Feb-04-13|| ||Abdel Irada: <they couldn't come up with anything catchy that rhymes with Quezon>|
Le Raison in Quezon?
(I know. It doesn't *quite* rhyme.)
|Feb-04-13|| ||TheFocus: How about <Squeeze On in Quezon>?|
|Feb-05-13|| ||kevin86: it was probably Ali himself who came up with the name.|
|Feb-05-13|| ||perfidious: See the first paragraph in the wikilink provided above-it very definitely was Ali who originated it.|
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