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|Apr-17-12|| ||Oxspawn: O good. The good guys say what I said - only they said it quicker and shorter. Still good's good. Jolly good really.|
|Apr-17-12|| ||Oxspawn: Then, blimey, they went and played a completely different game after Stephenson's rocket burned out at Rc3. You have to admire Penrose's ruthlessness after he was let off. But right at the end, why cannot white play Rc2? I suppose after Rd2, RxR (either), RxR, white cannot save the bishop.|
|Apr-17-12|| ||Oxspawn: In fact what <Abdel Irada> said, and I missed on my first read through. Sorry Abdel.|
|Apr-17-12|| ||desiobu: Ra7 overworks the queen. Have to admit I would have far more trouble finding it OTB.|
|Apr-17-12|| ||Pensive: <Tired Tim> Actually soccer is a fine name. The original name of the sport was <Association Football>|
"Soc" is a shortened version of <Association>. The suffix -er was added later on.
So while soccer is not as intuitive a name for the sport as football (and it's also only used in English-speaking countries, since only the English came up with the name Association Football) it is a legitimate name.
Sorry for the nitpicking, but as an American fan I get irritated when people mock me for using the name soccer.
|Apr-17-12|| ||FrogC: "Soccer" was quite commonly used in Britain until we discovered the Americans were saying it. I grew up reading comics in which the characters played "soccer".|
|Apr-17-12|| ||cyclon: 33. Ra7 wins Queen for a Rook, or a Rook.|
|Apr-17-12|| ||Memethecat: 33Ra7 snares the R on d7.
Ooh, that must've hurt, I bet Norm downed a few drinks that night.
|Apr-17-12|| ||dragon player: I think the solution is distracting the queen:
Or else 34.Rxd7
Winning the queen.
Time to check.
Right indeed, but in the game it was missed. Could happen.
|Apr-17-12|| ||Marmot PFL: That both players missed 33 Ra7 says little for the quality of British chess in the 60s.
Their chess books though were usually much better than what was available in the USA.|
|Apr-17-12|| ||Memethecat: <sorokahdeen> I'm sure Stephenson would have got it if he knew (as we all do) that there was a combo there.|
<Pensive:and it's also only used in English-speaking countries> Spanish=fútbol Dutch=voetbal German=Fußball French=football Portuguese=futebol, I'm not sure about Asia & Africa, but I could make a good guess. I think the US has the largest English speaking population & they choose to use another name.
|Apr-17-12|| ||kevin86: 33a7!! wins by force.
If the queen withdraws,the rook d7 is lost. If xa7 xc8+ and xa7 next...
Black must lose queen or the rook by skewer.
|Apr-17-12|| ||whiteshark: <33.Ra7!> and that's it.|
|Apr-17-12|| ||Tired Tim: <Pensive> You are quite correct, of course. I was merely being facetious.|
"Soccer" was used by public school (i.e. private school!) types to distinguish it from "rugger" - or rugby football.
Practically never used in UK now but - as you've shown - perfectly valid and certainly not incorrect
|Apr-17-12|| ||Crispy Seagull: Ah, he missed it!|
|Apr-17-12|| ||MarkFinan: I think <whiteshark> said exactly what i was thinking! :)|
|Apr-17-12|| ||chrisowen: Simple son arming a tour foraging old get the 33.ra7 again manage in |
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|Apr-17-12|| ||dufferps: Okay, I'm glad to see that others thought white should have moved 33.Ra7.|
Has anyone found a way for black to recover and avoid losing?
|Apr-17-12|| ||ZZpatzer: Shredder says that move 37 Rb8 (should have moved Bh6) was a klunker for white too|
|Apr-17-12|| ||Patriot: Material is even.
33.Rxc8 Qxc8 doesn't look like much but 33.Ra7 does! 33...Qxa7 34.Rxc8+
|Apr-17-12|| ||gawain: I looked at 33 Ra7 but I did not look at it long enough.|
|Apr-17-12|| ||Cibator: <Tired Tim> et al: Quite right on the etymology of "soccer". One reason why the term has disappeared from use in the UK and Commonwealth countries is that that "-er" ending is very characteristic of upper-class slang, and no-one now wants to be mistaken for a "chinless wonder". |
Time was they had an even more absurd term for the game. I read once about a feisty army officer cadet who was asked by his sports-mad CO: "do you play footer, young man?" His reply was: "no sir, and I don't play cricker or hocker either".
|Apr-17-12|| ||BlackSheep: Like a few others I was duped for a second by the game continuation but aaah that Stephenson hes a sly ole dog playing a trick like that on us and for the sake of the puzzle I didnt think Ra7 was that hard to find as its not like its a good combo its just a single move that instantly blows black apart .|
|Apr-17-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: <33. Ra7! Qb8>
(33...Qxa7 34. Rxc8+ and 35. Bxa7 ; 33...Rxc5 34. Rxb7 )
<34. Rxd7> and White wins a Rook.
|Apr-18-12|| ||TheaN: Tuesday 18 April 2012
Candidates: Rxc8†, <[Ra7]>
About this puzzle I can be fairly short. The brittle and overdefended queenside of black calls out for many remove the guard tactics. The e3-a7 battery also defends every square on this diagonal due to the discovered check on c8. Hence:
<33.Ra7> is destructive. 33....Qxa7 34.Rxc8† , but moving the queen and saving the d7 rook is also impossible. Black will lose at least a rook, and that would be enough.
<33....Qb8 34.Rxd7 >
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