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|Nov-19-04|| ||clocked: Bxc5, black is only down one pawn :-) |
|Nov-19-04|| ||beatgiant: The threat is 25. e4 moves 26. g6+ g8 27. d5+ . If Black tries 24...b6 to cover d5, then 25. d3 f7 26. g6+ g8 27. xe5! leads to an immediate win.|
I'd say the burden of proof here is on anyone who claims Black can save this.
|Nov-19-04|| ||clocked: 27.Nxe5 is too complex to be expected, and I don't think it immediately wins |
|Nov-19-04|| ||beatgiant: <27.Nxe5 is too complex to be expected, and I don't think it immediately wins>|
OK, I'll bite. Please show me Black's reply that makes it complex and prevents the immediate win (the threat is 28. h7+ ).
|Nov-19-04|| ||clocked: I didn't say it is not winning. Anyway: 27.Nxe5 Qxh5 28.Bh7+ Kh8 |
|Nov-19-04|| ||beatgiant: <I didn't say it is not winning. Anyway: 27.Nxe5 Qxh5 28.Bh7+ Kh8>|
And after then 29. g6 threatening the queen and the back rank with d8 ?
|Nov-19-04|| ||clocked: 29.Bg6? Bf5! |
|Nov-19-04|| ||drukenknight: Hey do I get a turn? [inserts new clip into .357 magnum] |
|Nov-19-04|| ||clocked: Is that a starter pistol? |
|Nov-19-04|| ||drukenknight: clocked 25...Bd7 |
|Nov-19-04|| ||clocked: 26.Rxe5 fxe5 27.Bh5 |
|Nov-20-04|| ||beatgiant: Sorry guys, 24...b6 25. d3 f7 26. g6+ g8 27. xe5 xh5 28. h7+ h8 29. d8+ e8 30. g6 does win the queen.|
My main point (which may have been lost in the tactics) is that White is not only winning the exchange, there is a mating net too. So it really is a quesiton of how Black can save and not how White can win.
|Nov-20-04|| ||clocked: <beatgiant> "Sorry guys"?? who are you talking to? I never said your move is not winning. But I will return the comment: sorry, there is NO mating net.|
30...Bf5 I will force you into a tedious endgame.
|Nov-20-04|| ||beatgiant: <30...Bf5 I will force you into a tedious endgame.> |
Sure, White's then "only" a piece up with 31. xe8 xc2 32. xh5+ xd8 33. f7+ followed by 34. xd8. Are we agreed that Black can resign?
|Nov-20-04|| ||clocked: No we are not agreed. 33...Kh7 34.Nxd8 Nxc4 |
|Nov-20-04|| ||drukenknight: yay! I have clocked on my side! I think white will be a piece up in all variations, I tried the 24...Bxh2+ and basically down a B. Dunno if thats enuf to resign. |
|Jun-05-05|| ||notyetagm: Petrosian was a <tremendous attacker> when the position demanded it.|
|Sep-09-06|| ||outplayer: 24...Qd8(24...Qg8 25.Bh7! Qxh7 26.Ng6+)25.Be4 Kg8 26.Bd5+ Watson,J. from Los Secretos de la Estrategia Moderna en Ajedrez p.84|
|Mar-13-08|| ||Nezhmetdinov: This is the "magic rook" game from O'kelly's book of TP's games.|
|Apr-08-08|| ||ToTheDeath: <clocked> <beat giant> <drunkenknight> etc.: 24...Nb6 25.Bxc5. Game over.|
|Aug-29-08|| ||arsen387: one of Petrosian's attacking brilliancies. Rook moves are very nice|
|Oct-30-08|| ||sergeidave: Awesome game! Boa constrictor...|
|Nov-24-09|| ||butilikefur: <ToTheDeath: <clocked> <beat giant> <drunkenknight> etc.: 24...Nb6 25.Bxc5. Game over.>|
I think you guys had the right idea but just stopped short of the finish: <24...Nb6 25. Bd3 Qf7 26. Ng6+ Kg8 27. Nxe5 Qxh5 28. Bh7+ Kf8 29. Rd8+ Qe8> 29...Re8 30. Bxc5+ mate <30. Rxe8+ Kxe8 31. Qg6+ Kd8> 31...Kf8 32. Bxc5 fxe5 33. Qd6 wins (not 33. Bg8 Kxg8 34. Bxe7 Nd7) <32. Qd3+ Bd7> 32...Kc7 33. Bxc5 <33. Ng6 Re8 34. Bxc5> and White will win easily.
The toughest bit is seeing 27. Nxe5 ..for example, <27...fxe5 28. Bh7+ Kh8> 28...Kf8 29. Rd8+ Qe8 30. Rf5+ Bxf5 31. Qxf5+ Rf7 32. Bxc5+ mate <29. Rd8+ Re8 30. Bg6 Rxd8 31. Bxe7 Bg4 32. Rd5 Nxd5 cxd5> wins - a cute threat here was, after 31...Bd7 (a very poor move), 32. Qg6 and Black can't stop mate, even 32...Bf5 loses to 33. Rxh6+ gxh6 34. Qxh6+ Bh6 35. Qf6+ mate
Another variation is <27...Rxe5 28. Bh7+ Kf8> 28...Kh8 29. Rxe5 and White is just up a rook <29. Rd8+ Re8 30. Bxc5+ wins the queen> - 27. Nxe5 was a great idea <beatgiant> ..more than five years ago.
|Feb-19-10|| ||tommer: I think 21 ..Bd6 cost a lose of exchange for black .|
|Aug-23-12|| ||backrank: This game was one Petrosian's own favorites. The rook manoevers on the 4th rank are as original as they are strong.|
In the position after 14 ... exd4,
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how many of us (including myself) would have recaptured 15 exd4 to keep the pawn structure intact?
Petrosian doesn't care for pawn structures here; he realizes that the game can be decided by piece play. He finds the wonderful manoever 25 Bh7+! (to force the king on the long diagonal and to clear the 4th rank for his own rook) followed by Rxd4-f4-e4-h4 etc.
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