|May-20-06|| ||stanleys: Devastating counter-attack by the "Iron Tigran"|
|Nov-15-06|| ||notyetagm: Valery Beim, in "How To Calculate Chess Tactics", annotates moves 17 through 24 as follows: 17. ... xe4! 18. xd8 xd2 19. xc7
xc4! 20. xb8 xd5! 21. a7 e4! 22. g5 h6 23. b3 c6! 24. xe4 xa4!.|
That is, in this eight move sequence he gives !-marks to six of Petrosian's moves!
Petrosian was masterful at calculation and tactics.
|Oct-03-07|| ||e4Newman: what an exchange (17 onward)
if i could calculate tactics like that i'd be much more satisfied - this is just a slug-fest
|Oct-03-07|| ||hovik2003: This game showes Iron Tigran lived up his name. Iron solid defensive play, but when cornered and felt danger he fought back like a roaring tiger.|
|Oct-04-07|| ||e4Newman: Iron solid indeed! I need a nickname like that!
Initiating an attack at move 17 doesn't seem too defensive to me though. I know he had a reputation for such, but the only slight advantage white may have here is extra space.
However, white's space advantage is typical for a KID setup. Fischer played KID regularly and I don't hear anyone calling him defensive.
|Oct-04-07|| ||hovik2003: First of all try not nitpicking on my English language stracture, lets see how would you do if English was your third language.|
And about the game above, Mr Newman, You as a chessplayer, honestly if you didn't know Petrosian following moves, which side you rather have after White's 15.Qd2, I think black side positionally is in tight sqeeze, multiple white threats of 16.Nxb4 winning a pawn, 16.Bh6 in prospect of exchanging bishops and Ng5 then f4, a3 rook to f3 and so on, with kingside attack. And in cotrast black doesn't have an immidiate threat, only good thing for him could be exchange of his active b4 knight with powerfully entrenched white d5 knight. By the way I know Petrosian very well, his iron logic, king of exchange sacrifices, solid defence and when position ripe he opened up like a spring, and most of all he being our national hero.
|Oct-04-07|| ||OneArmedScissor: This is an incredible game.
<27. ...Nb2> is such a classy move.
|Oct-05-07|| ||e4Newman: <hovik2003:> I didn't mean to offend you. Your English is good.|
At the low level that I play, 15.Qd2 wouldn't be that scary of a move. I see a move like ...c5 helping at some point, maybe move 15 or a bit later. It captures space.
But you have a good point about the f4, Ra3-f3 threat. I overlooked that.
At any rate, Petrosian's 16...Be6 17...Nxe4 is wonderful. Far more foreceful than any threat Polugaevsky has.
Not too sure about 16.Bg5. In Keene's book he analyzes the immediate 16...Nxe4 as feasible. Here's his line:
17.Bxd8 Nxd2 18.Bxc7 Nxf3+ 19.Rxf3 Ra8 20.Nb6 Ra6 21.c5 Bf8 22.Nxc8 Rxc8 23. Bxe5 Rxc5 *
In the actual game, he claims 17.Qc3 was necessary.
What does everyone think of 22.Ng5? I think Nd4 was better. And 35.Nb6 is awful, but it's pretty much over by then.
|Oct-05-07|| ||hovik2003: <e4Newman >
<Not too sure about 16.Bg5>
You are absolutely right, I didn't like that natural move either, well I am a homegrown player and no master, but usually I have a correct positional feeling, but I think White problem started with 16.Bg5, but I can't see a better move than that except moving the knight to g5 or h4, I like 16.Nh4, it look passive but kills the black's counterplay on e4 pawn, and preseves white plan of playing Bh6 or Bg5 eventually.
GM Keene is right again on secend case in actual game 17.Qc3 is good move and I dont think Petrosian would have played Nxe4, actually queen on any good square except d2 would prevent or would make harmless the black's combination. So that take us one more step back to 15.Qd2, maybe that wasn't that good as it supposed to be.
You are right 22.Ng5? doesn't do any thing except putting one more piece in hanging. 22.Nd4 looks much better but I think Lev didn't like it because either he wanted to have the option of Rxd5 or maybe didn't like 22.Nd4 Nxa3 23.bxa3 Nc6 24.Nxc6 bxc6 leaving d5 bishop the master of the board, but I think more analyzes should prove us right.
You are right again on 35.Nb6? but pulling back the knight 35.Ne3 as you said it is gonna prolong the agony only. Black's b passed pawn and exchange up ill give him an easy win. Any way I am gonna analyze this game more.
Thank You for sharing your thoughts on this game.
|Oct-05-07|| ||hovik2003: <e4Newman>
One more thing, I am sure you know about this book, David Bronstein's "Zurich Intrnational Chess Tournament 1953", it is a fantastic book on middlegame and specially your favorate King's Indian Defence.
My edition is translated by Jim Marfia, published by Dover Books, NY 1979.
|Oct-05-07|| ||euripides: After <22.Nd4> b6 might be worth considering.|