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|Oct-31-08|| ||arsen387: in moves 29-48 Petrosian's K moved 10 times. Fascinating to follow how Petrosian's Q, R and pawn block white Q's moves.|
<HOTDOG: 30.Rh5!(instead of 30.Rf3??)...Qe8 31.Qxa6+ Kd7 32.Qxb5+ Ke6 33.Qb6+ Kd7 34.Qd6+ Kc8 35.Qxd5 Qxg6 36.Rh3! and White wins > and what about 30.Rh5! Bg5+ and white loses
Petrosian has +3 =0 -0 against Cardoso according to CG database and all are very beautiful games, especially Petrosian vs R T Cardoso, 1958. The other one is a nice 2 move combo Petrosian vs R T Cardoso, 1974
|Nov-03-08|| ||arsen387: seems like I owe an apology to <HOTDOG>. Bg5+ loses to Rxg5. Your line is pretty forced and really winning for white. Anyway, after 30.Rf3? Petrosian's game is flawless and beautiful|
|Jan-02-09|| ||mccraw: HotDog: great resource, Rh5! Your line is good, up till 36.Rh3?, because 36...Qg1+ 37.Kb2 e4+ complicates things. Better: 36.Qc6+ Kb8[Kb8 37.Bd6+ Ka7 38.Qc5+ is worse] 37.Ba5 Ke7 38.Rxe5!, and White wins.|
|Feb-15-09|| ||Lt.Surena: Incredible game !! Petrosian's king take a walk to the dark side and comes back to talk about it.|
What a player !! A true champion ..
|Feb-15-09|| ||JuliusCaesar: Typical Petrosian, not in the least bit dogmatic. Like Lasker before him and his contemporary, Korchnoi, he was an extremely practical player.|
|Feb-16-09|| ||laskereshevsky: another king's walk...
Tal vs Lisitsin, 1956
The Tal's and Petrosian's kings remind me a scene i saw in a war movie...
Battle field,... guns, bombs, smoke everywhere....
A general with his hat holed by a bullet, smoke his sigar and walk in open field between the tormented deads bodyes, absolutly heedless of the dangers watching straight the enemy's field...
at a certain point EVERYBODY, enemyes and friends absolutly astonished, stopping to do whatever they are doing and staring at him, in the most unbelievable way....
|Jun-22-09|| ||pom nasayao: I love seeing the BKing went for a walk all the way to h3 unaccompanied, then shuddered back to its lair at g8, taking a pawn along the way. It was beautifully executed.|
|Sep-20-09|| ||Phony Benoni: What's the big fuss? All Black did was castle.|
|Nov-13-10|| ||xombie: Actually, I think it is fairly clear. Black's king was never in any danger in this game because there were very few white pieces around. Still, requires accurate calculation and a lot of imagination.|
|Apr-02-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: Wow! Phenomenal game by Petrosian.
|Jun-10-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: It would be awesome if CG makes a WC Petrosian week leading up to Tigran Petrosian Day - June 17th!|
As it relates to this game, I still agree with what I wrote back on April 2nd of this year: that this is one phenomenal game courtesy of the 9th World Champion!
|Jun-10-12|| ||sevenseaman: Constant pressure. Tigran relentlessly keeps paring White down to size.|
I like <LTJ>'s idea of a Petrosian week on the POTD. In spite of being a very popular World Champion with well-known games, there would be a lot to learn even for the old hands on the trendy forum.
|Jun-10-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: <sevenseaman> Thank you! :)|
|Jun-10-12|| ||Jazzer32: White missed a draw with 36. Rxf6 gxf6 37.g7 Rg8 38.Bf8 Qe6 39. Qh5+ Kf4 40 Bd6+!!(Black cannot take Qd6 cause of Qh2+), and then perpetual, hard to see Bd6+ tho..|
|Jun-10-12|| ||Tiggler: <Jazzer32: White missed a draw with 36. Rxf6 gxf6 37.g7 Rg8 38.Bf8 Qe6 39. Qh5+ Kf4 40 Bd6+!!(Black cannot take Qd6 cause of Qh2+), and then perpetual, hard to see Bd6+ tho..>|
Very clever idea. 37... Qe6 does not put a stop to this line (if 38. Qxe6 Kxe6 wins). I think 38. Qh5+ Kf4 39 Bd6+ still works.
|Jun-10-12|| ||profK: This must score about a 99% on a crazy game index. There should be one.|
|Jun-10-12|| ||Honza Cervenka: This is definitely an entertaining game but by far not flawless. As it was suggested earlier by others, 30.Rh5! could have won the game for white turning thus 29...Ke6 planned by Petrosian already when he played 27...Kd7 into a clear mistake. It seems to be that instead of 27...Kd7 black should have played rather 27...Be7 28.Qc7 Bg5+ with next 0-0 and advantage. Instead of 29...Ke6 objectively better was 29...Qc7. After Cardoso's 30.Rg3? black should play rather 30...d4 than 30...e4 limiting thus scope of white Queen and opening line for his own lady to attack white's monarch. In the game 36.Rxf6+ and maybe 37.Rd6 again with idea Rxf6 could have saved the day for white.|
|Jun-10-12|| ||lemaire90: The black king just laughed at the futile white attack, incredible.|
Kingscrusher, video annotation please.
|Jun-10-12|| ||Julian713: Great pun!|
|Jun-10-12|| ||visayanbraindoctor: <Honza Cervenka: This is definitely an entertaining game but by far not flawless. As it was suggested earlier by others, 30.Rh5! could have won the game for white turning thus 29...Ke6 planned by Petrosian already when he played 27...Kd7 into a clear mistake.>|
True enough. However, many players beside IM Cardoso have not been able to nail the Petrosian's slippery king just when it was supposed to be flatlined. First time Iv seen this game and it's a marvelously creative effort from Petrosian.
Cardoso bty should have been a GM, had his prime been in the 1980s and 90s. A lot of GM strength (by today's standards) players at their prime in the 1950s to 1970s could only make it to IM; so strict were FIDE standards then. I believe they had to make at least 3 norms at one point, and the only shortcut way of attaining GM without the above was to get into the Candidates, the way Fischer did. It seems that for a while, as juniors Cardoso was one of Fischer's foremost competitors in the non-European world.
|Jun-11-12|| ||spawn2: <visayanbraindoctor>|
They also need to do it in two (2)years, or else its back to zero if am correct.
|Jun-11-12|| ||visayanbraindoctor: <spawn2: They also need to do it in two (2)years, or else its back to zero if am correct.>|
Thanks for that additional info <spawn2>.
Nowadays, with less strict standards, we see GMs sprouting like cogon grass everywhere.
With what I regard as the cheapening and multiplicity of FIDE titles, I sometimes tend to think the chess world should simply abolish most of them and just stick to 'chess master'. The multiplicity of chess titles did not exist in the 19th century, yet chess did just fine.
|Jun-11-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: <Honza Cervenka: Instead of 29...Ke6 objectively better was 29...Qc7.>|
Stockfish agrees that Black had to find 29...Qc7! As after this, Black retains a (-1.53) advantage, at a depth of 19. Thus, 27...Kd7 was not a bad move at all, simply 29...Ke6 - luckily for Petrosian, Cardoso did not spot 30. Rh5!
This said, this is still a phenomenal game from the Ninth World Champion, Petrosian!
|Jun-11-12|| ||kevin86: Black's king wanders out,then returns to his castling position,though he never castled!|
|Jun-11-12|| ||kardopov: <I believe they had to make at least 3 norms at one point, and the only shortcut way of attaining GM without the above was to get into the Candidates, the way Fischer did. It seems that for a while, as juniors Cardoso was one of Fischer's foremost competitors in the non-European world.> Can also be accomplished via special concession, the way they granted Balinas at Odessa, Russia.|
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