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Jan-03-08
 | | capatal: Ah Holmes! There's the rub! One of Pillsbury's arch rivals, possessed in Chess fear, sent a tainted tart to his rooms, upon a villainous errand...to make the beast with two backs and thus bestow the tainted gift that keeps on giving. "Diabolical!", exclaimed Sherlock," Watson, the games afoot!" |
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| Jan-03-08 | | Jim Bartle: "It's quite a simple affair, but it does have some points of interest, Watson." And let's not forget, Holmes and Moriarty died together by falling into the Reichenbach Fall in Switzerland during a struggle. |
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| Jan-03-08 | | Petrosianic: <And let's not forget, Holmes and Moriarty died together by falling into the Reichenbach Fall in Switzerland during a struggle.> Oh, really?
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| Jan-03-08 | | Jim Bartle: Yes and no.
In "The Final Problem," Holmes sacrificed his own life to rid the world of the master criminal Moriarty. This was to be the final Holmes story. But years later the public was so forceful in demanding more Sherlock Holmes that Conan Doyle wrote that he was hiding when Watson arrived at the waterfall, and went underground to wipe out the vestiges of Moriarty's network. He returned by "surprise" in "The Adventure of the Empty House." |
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Jan-03-08
 | | tamar: "Well, then, about that chasm. I had no serious difficulty
in getting out of it, for the very simple reason that I never was in it." |
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| Mar-01-08 | | Mate Hunter: <Emanuel Lasker held the world championship for a record 27 years. He won nearly every tournament he played in during his reign. Furthermore, he played good chess into his late sixties. Despite his skill on 64 squares, he was considered a weak player early in his reign as world champion by many of the leading chess players of that time. Harry Pillsbury, an American, had beaten Lasker in a previous tournament. This fueled the belief that the world champion Lasker could be beaten despite the fact that Lasker's poor performance was more likely due to his recovery at that time from a serious illness. This game was a product of that time. Lasker felt he had to beat his nemisis decisively to prove to the world that he was a worthy holder of the title. Lasker's risky play resulted in a brilliant attack that so shakes Pilsbury that he lost the next four games he played in the St. Petersburg tournament.> (http://www.logicalchess.com/resourc...)The game is also called <Must Win!<>> |
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| Mar-01-08 | | beatgiant: <Mate Hunter>
The quote above is about Pillsbury vs Lasker, 1895, not this game. |
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May-01-08
| | tamar: <Simpler and perhaps stronger was 23 Nxf5 exf5 24 Nxd5, with irresistible pressure against Black's shattered position> Siegbert Tarrasch
Is this true? Has anyone tested this out? This seems to give Black some options. How would White proceed after 24...Be7, or 24...h3
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May-04-08
| | tamar: Let's see then
After 23 Nxf5 exf5 24 Nxd5 I ran some tests with Shredder 8 on Deep Analysis: 
click for larger viewnow White gets a decisive attack after 24...Be7 25 Rfc1 Rb8 26 Ra1 h3 27 Qg3 Rc8 28 Qg7 Rf8 29 Rxc8 Qxc8 30 e6! 
click for larger viewIf 30...Bxe6 31 Nc7+ Kd8 32 Rxa4 wins a piece or 30...fxe6 31 Qxe6# Or after 24...Be7 25 Rfc1 Black can try the bolder 25...Rc8 26 Rbc1 Rg8
27 Nxe7 Kxe7 28 Qh4+ Ke6 29 Qc4+ Ke7 30 Qxa4 Rxg2+ 31 Kf1 and in this wild position White is better 1.12/17 
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May-04-08
| | tamar: So far, my analysis had proved out Tarrasch' assertion that 23 Nxf5 exf5 24 Nxd5 was "simpler and perhaps stronger" than 23 Ra1. However, Black can try 24...Rc8 which no matter how long I stretch the analysis, proves better for Black. Here is one line: 25 Qd2 Be7 26 d4 h3
27 g3 Kf8 28 Qxa5 Rc2 29 Rbc1 Rg2+ 30 Rb2 
click for larger viewWhite is stymied trying to gain an attack, and is even facing the loss of the b pawn. So I think 23 Nxf5 exf5 24 Nxd5 would lead to a more complicated game, but with prospects for Black if he plays 24...Rc8 |
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| May-04-08 | | sambo: What happens after 26...Qb8 27. Qxf5 Kd7 28. Nc7+ Kd8 29. e6 Bc6 (assuming that's best play for white)? |
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May-04-08
| | tamar: <What happens after 26...Qb8 27. Qxf5 Kd7 28. Nc7+ Kd8 29. e6 Bc6> 30 Bg5 is crushing as all of Black's heavy pieces are out of the game. 
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Jul-27-08
 | | Ulhumbrus: 13...g6 disturbs the King side pawns without necessity, as well as moving a pawn in the opening. 13...Nb6 makes way for ...Bd7 |
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Jan-26-09
 | | talisman: wow...Lasker fathered one of tarrasch's children! <tamar> knows. that's the 1st i've heard of that one. E MAN U L wasuh play uh! |
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| Sep-16-09 | | donehung: By my count Lasker had moved one or the other knight 8 times by move 13, whereas pillsbury is completely developed. I personally would have captured c5 with the bishop on ..7 |
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| Nov-09-09 | | WhiteRook48: 26...QD7 27 Qxf5 Rf8 where's the win? |
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| Nov-09-09 | | DrCurmudgeon: <WhiteRook48> You have got to be joking. Here's the position after 26...Qd7 27.Qxf5 Rf8:
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Perhaps if you actually look at the position instead of spewing out another mindless twitter, you might be able to see the mate in two. With a mighty effort, you might even discover there are two ways of doing it. Or am I overrating your intelligence? |
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| Nov-09-09 | | grz: <DrCurmudgeon> Easy on WhiteRook48 there. We may need him later. |
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Mar-03-10
| | tamar: Lasker had a sequence to win the b6 pawn in 5 moves after 19 b6. Why didn't he play it? After 22...Rc8 23 Ra1 Bc5 24 Qg3 Qxb6 it is hard even with computer help to see a cloud on the horizon. 
click for larger viewRybka 3 still sees it as even, or a slight Black edge. So was 19 b6 a bluff? I let Rybka go overnight from the diagram.
25 Rfb1 Qa7 26 Rxa4 Rf8 (avoiding one breakthrough-26...Bxa4 27 Nfxe6 f4 28 Ng7+ Kd8 29 Qxf4 wins) 27 Rc1!! Bxa4
click for larger viewBlack has patiently extinguished the most virulent attacks, and Rybka only saw +.47 at the end of its analysis here See if you can find the sequence to win for White from this point on.
Beginning with 27 Rc1!! (exclamations given in hindsight) the win is still far from obvious, although it begins with the obvious sac on e6... |
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Mar-04-10
| | tamar: From the diagram position in the previous post after 27...Bxa4 28 Nfxe6 Qb6 29 Nxf8 Kxf8 30 e6 fxe6
click for larger view Kf1! An amazing move, stopping in the middle of the combination just to get the King out of the dark square field. 31...Qa6 There is nothing better than this move that says "pass" 32 Ne2! (Preserving pieces avoids the drawish tendencies of 32 Nxe6 Qxe6 33 Bxc5+ Kf7 34 Re1 f4 35 Qg5 Rxc5 when Black can build a fortress and his Qside pawns are worrisome) Delaying cashing in is evident even in the analysis moves. It is better to buy time by throwing another piece in Black's way than to allow exchanges. It also shows the hidden defect of 22...Rc8, both defenders have been lured away, and it is now unguarded in case of ...Bxe3 32...b6 33 Bh6+ Ke8 34 Qg8+ Kd7 35 Qf7+ Be7 36 Bg5 
click for larger viewNow the bishop falls and White continues attacking. All from the time gained when Black took the b pawn. |
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| Aug-09-11 | | DrMAL: <Zonszein: I suspect that Lasker was very lucky that he didn't play a match for the worldchampionship against Mr Pillsbury..> Yes, I think Pillsbury was stronger and would have won. The two tied 5-5 while Lasker was already WC and much more serious about keeping his title and reputation. This game is not merely a win it exemplifies Pillsbury's superior skill. |
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| Aug-09-11 | | DrMAL: <tamar: <Simpler and perhaps stronger was 23 Nxf5 exf5 24 Nxd5, with irresistible pressure against Black's shattered position> Siegbert Tarrasch> The only thing Tarrasch shows with this remark is that he did not understand this position when analyzing nearly as well as Pillsbury did OTB. 23.Ra1 is the only move giving white ANY advantage. After 23.Nxf5 exf5 24.Nxf5 simply 24...Rc8 gives black a lingering advantage by grace of his extra bishop. From here 25.Ra1 Be7 26.Rfc1 Rxc1+ 27.Rxc1 Be6 28.Nc7+ Kf8 29.Qf3  |
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Aug-10-11
| | tamar: Overall, the advantage of 23 Ra1 is that it keeps focus on the e6 square, and does not dissipate the quality of position so painstakingly built by settling for fifth rank squares, f5 or d5. That said, 23 Nxd5 is another candidate move that almost works. If 23...exd5 24 Ra1 Bc5 25 Rxa4 Bxa4 26 Nxf5 and White is still in business. For example, 26...Bxe3 27 Qxe3 Rh7 28 e6 Rc8 29 e7 with lingering pressure, although Black may be able to hold. But Black can substitute 25...Qxb6 and keep the bishop on d7, when it is very hard for White to demonstrate an advantage. 0.00/21 Rybka 3 
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| Aug-10-11 | | DrMAL: <tamar> Yes, I initially misread your posts above thinking it was 23.Nxd5 that Tarrasch suggested. Wanting to make sure it gave no advantage, I put it on the computer overnight. Houdini_15a_x64: 26/84 6:57:55 98,292,255,927
+1.28 23.Ra1 Bc5 24.Nxf5 exf5 25.Bxc5 Nxc5
-0.10 23.Kh1 Nc3 24.Nxf5 exf5 25.Rb3 Bb4
-0.20 23.Nxd5 exd5 24.Ra1 Bc5 25.Rxa4 Qxb6
-0.20 23.Rbe1 Bb4 24.Rc1 Nc3 25.Nxf5 exf5
-0.28 23.h3 Rc8 24.Ra1 Bc5 25.Nxd5 exd5
-0.40 23.Nxf5 exf5 24.Nxd5 Rc8 25.Ra1 Be7
-0.44 23.Nc2 Be7 24.Nd4 Rg8 25.Ra1 Nc3
-0.46 23.Rb3 Bb4 24.Qf3 Be7 25.Nxd5 exd5
-0.49 23.Qf3 Qe7 24.Nh5 0-0-0 25.Nf6 Kb8
-0.60 23.Rbd1 h3 24.g3 Nc3 25.Ra1 Bb4
I had not seriously considered the Karpovian 23.Kh1 it or 23.Nxd5 or 23.Rbe1 give basically equal chances. 23.Nxf5 is quite Tarrasch indeed giving slight advantage to black, cheers. "Tarrasch's 'dogmas' are not eternal truisms, but merely instructional material presented in an accessible and witty form, those necessary rudiments from which one can begin to grasp the secrets of chess." -Garry Kasparov (seems apropos here) |
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Dec-26-11
| | tamar: Tarrasch called 18...h5 "the crucial mistake", but "really just a continuation of the error at move 13" (13...g6) It does seem sensible to castle rather than try to expand on both wings, but it took several stellar moves in the absence of which Lasker's Go-like strategy of envelopment would have succeeded. |
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