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Harry Nelson Pillsbury vs Samuel Tinsley
London (1899)  ·  French Defense: Normal Variation (A40)  ·  1-0
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Jan-18-07  Paulvandyk: 26 ... Nxf6 or Qxd6 27 Qc7#
Mar-14-09
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  soma: See Bruce Pandolfini, "Flankenstein's Defense", in Solitaire Chess, Chess Life, March 2009.

Try this on Guess the Move and compare your results with Pandolfini's score.

Mar-23-09  Dredge Rivers: This page claims this is a French Defence, the ECO says it's a Queen's Pawn Game, and the March 2009 states this is Owen's Defence.

What the hey? Can't we all make up our minds here?

Mar-23-09  MaxxLange: someone explained what's going on with the CG opening classification once, but I forgot

this has to be an Owen's with this move order

Mar-23-09  chessman95: After 1.d4 (or e4) d6 2.e4 (or d4) this position


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is classified as the 'normal french', because after 1.e4 e6 , 2.d4 is the 'normal' variation, which this game transposes to.

Does anyone know of any games where it transposed from a Scandinavian to a Blackmar-Diemer Gambit to a French or Caro-Kann?

Mar-23-09  chessman95: <Does anyone know of any games where it transposed from a Scandinavian to a Blackmar-Diemer Gambit to a French or Caro-Kann?>

lol, never mind. There are about 30,000 of those...

Mar-23-09  chessman95: <There are about 30,000 of those...>

Wait, that's wrong. That's any games of main line French and CKs. Are there any games with the move order 1.e4 d5 2.d4 and now e6 or c6?

Mar-23-09  MaxxLange: <chessman95> there have to be, they happen in amateur play all the time, and the Caro or French must be better theoretically than the various BDG declined lines. I don't think there are going to be a lot of games with two high-rated players in this kind of thing, though.

BACK IN THE DAY when I relied on 2. d4 against the Scandinavian, I considered this sort of transposition at least a moral victory. They were usually trying to back into a good Caro-Kann type game anyway, but while avoiding the Advance variation, or that line with exd5 and c4, or the Ng5 lines, etc. In the main line, Caro, I make him at least work harder for that position.

Jan-30-10
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  plang: 4..f5 seems more in the spirit of Owens defense.
Jan-30-10
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  keypusher: Pillsbury's final move is pretty funny, as well as pretty!
May-03-11  bengalcat47: This opening was known at one time as the Queen's Fianchetto Defense, most commonly with Black playing ... b6 on his first move after White starts out with 1.e4. This opening and the King's Fianchetto Defense (1... g6, after 1.e4) were inferior for Black and had already become obsolete by the time Morphy first appeared on the chess scene.
Jan-26-14  bengalcat47: I've used this game as a lesson for teaching young students how to sharpen their chess skills. I adopted a style similar to what Reinfeld used in his book Chess Mastery by Question and Answer. The main themes here are: inferior opening play, weakening of key squares, the dangers of leaving the King in the center, and opening lines of attack.
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