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| Sep-27-04 |
| Lawrence: <Junior 8> says that Black went seriously astray way back on move 6. The logical-looking 6.....0-0 receives an eval of +1.81 whereas with 6.....dxc4 it would have been +0.62. Also, 7.....Bc7 (eval +4.63) is much inferior to 7.....Bb4. |
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| Sep-27-04 |
| aw1988: The solution, naturally, since I have seen this theme several thousand times, is 7. e4 B(any) 8. Bxh7+! Kxh7 (Kh8 Ng5 and Qh5) 9. Ng5+ making way for the queen Kg6! (this seriously complicated white's task) 10. Qg4 (with a deadly pin) f5 there is no other way... Kh6 and discovery by the c1 bishop 11. Qg3! Keeping the pin, and not being tempted by the slower en passent and now after any reply by black, 12. Qh4 with mate on h7, or if Rh8, Nxe6+ winning the queen and keeping the attack alive. This is non computer assisted, and I have not looked at the solution yet. If anyone would like to prove me as the patzer I am, feel free. |
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| Sep-27-04 |
| aw1988: I also praise Lasker for making an interesting discovery, and a good game in the process! |
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| Sep-27-04 |
| aw1988: Lasker vs J Bauer, 1889 |
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| Sep-27-04 |
| Marco65: <aw1988> solstys noticed that 11...f4 can keep Black in the game, I think because of 12.Qg4 Qd7 and now 13.Qh4 is no more threatening Qh7# because the white knight is unprotected. But I also don't use computers in this forum, I doubt the great Pillsbury could be wrong with 10.Qg4 |
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Sep-27-04
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| Honza Cervenka: 11...f4 cannot save black for long. After 12.Qg4 Qe8 (12...Qd7 13.Nxe6+  ) 13.Ne2, 13.h4 or 13.Bxf4 white attack is decisive. Of course, other moves than 10.Qg4 would have won more easily. |
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| Sep-27-04 |
| aw1988: In any case, NN is smoked. At least I got monday's puzzle. <Looks forward to Tuesday> |
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| Sep-27-04 |
| Marco65: <Honza Cervenka> How would you finish Black after 12...Qd7 13.Nxe6+ Kf7 ? |
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Sep-27-04
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| Honza Cervenka: 12...Qd7 13.Nxe6+ Kf7 14.Qxg7+ Ke6 15.Qxf8 threatening 16.Qf6# looks quite convincing. |
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| Sep-27-04 |
| pawntificator: I would play 14. Qxg7 Kxe6 15. Qxf8 and black is finished |
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| Sep-27-04 |
| pawntificator: dang, beat me to it....I didn't realize we were live on the air~! |
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Sep-27-04
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| kevin86: gag,gag,koff,koff---I missed a Monday puzzle! Yeeccchhh! |
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| Sep-27-04 |
| Whitehat1963: What's wrong with 11. Qh4 instead of the text move 11. Qg3? |
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| Sep-27-04 |
| Giancarlo: 7..e5 followed by the classic "greek gift" sac on h7. Very easy to see if you are aware of this type of position. Black can also retreat to g8 but with the same result. |
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| Sep-27-04 |
| egsmith: <Whitehat1963> 11. Qh4 Rh8, Black protects the checkmating sqaure (h7) and white is forced to move the queen again. Note, 12. Qh4 is ok after 11. Qd7 because Rh8 is no longer supported. |
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| Sep-27-04 |
| fgh: Pretty easy, I say. |
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| Sep-27-04 |
| apple head: all these puzzles are easy |
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| Sep-27-04 |
| aw1988: Let me take a stab at this week's theme: attack piece followed by sacrifice. (I could be wrong) |
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Sep-27-04
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| patzer2: As Lawrence notes 7...Bc7 is inferior to 7...Bb4.
White still wins after 7...Bb4 8. Bxh7+ Kxh7 9. Ng5+ Kg3. However, the winning followup may be easier to find after 10. h4! than it is after the more complicated 10. Qg4! f5!? . |
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Sep-27-04
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| patzer2: In the game continuation, 10. h4! is also a decisive win. |
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| Sep-28-04 |
| Marco65: <Honza Cervenka> You're right as usual, I thought Black "only" had material loss after 12...Qd7 13.Nxe6+ Kf7 14.Qxg7 Ke6 15.Qxf8 Qd8 cause I missed 16.Qf6+ Kd7 17.e6+ Kd6 18.Bf4# |
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| Dec-23-05 |
| Ludamad: hmm...
12... f4
13. Bxf4 Rxf4
14. Qxf4
how would this continue? |
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| Jan-04-07 |
| Kruglov: <Ludamad: hmm... 12... f4 13. Bxf4 Rxf4 14. Qxf4 how would this continue?>
One of the quickest continuations:
12... f4 13.Qh7+ Kxg5 14.h4+ Kg4 15.f3+ Kg3 16.Ne2# and even white king helps to checkmate. |
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Oct-05-08
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| frank124c: It seems to me that this "Greek Gift Sacrifice" is one of the most common and most effective of all sacrificial themes and is well worth studying and analyzing. Not only does it show up in the Queens Gambit but also occurs in the Colle System and even the French Defense. Black can surprise White with a similar sacrifice in the Semi Slav Defense which is an isomer of the Colle System. |
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| Oct-05-08 |
| sambo: <12... f4 13.Qh7+ Kxg5 14.h4+ Kg4 15.f3+ Kg3 16.Ne2# and even white king helps to checkmate.> Actually, black still has a move after this, so it isn't checkmate; but after 16...Kxg2 17. Rg1+ Kh2 18. Bxhf4+ Rxf4 19. Qxg7, black is finally toast. |
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