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|Feb-27-12|| ||sevenseaman: <viking78> Its great. Anyone not familiar with the pattern solving it is really something. I didn't solve it the first time I came across it. I remember
3. Nd5# escaped me.|
|Feb-27-12|| ||zb2cr: 7, Nxe5! If 7. ... Bxd1, then Legal's mate follows with 8. Bxf7, Ke7; 9. Nd5. |
If 7. ... dxe5; 8. Qxg4 and White remains a piece up.
If 7. ... Qh4+; 8. g3, Bxd1; 9. gxh4, Bh5. White must extricate his Knight from e5 but he is still a piece up.
I didn't bother to work out the win after 7. ... d5, but I'm sure it's there.
|Feb-27-12|| ||Memethecat: This is only easy because we've all seen it so many times, but its no less beautiful for that. Is it Legals mate?
After <7Nxe5> black should accept the loss of a piece with <7...dxe5> otherwise......<7Nxe5 Bxd1 8Bxf7+ Ke7 9Nd5#>|
|Feb-27-12|| ||OhioChessFan: <FSR: Is that Legal?>|
I don't care, so long as you help me beat the charges.
|Feb-27-12|| ||Patriot: A famous mate that I recognized instantly. 7.Nxe5! and you know the rest. I would say the best "human move" would be 7...d5 just to make white think a little--after all, black is lost anyway! An easy response would be 8.Nxg4 or 8.Qxg4, but 8.Bxd5 also looks good. On 8...Qxd5 9.Nxd5 Bxd1 10.Nxc7+ . The best "computer move" is probably 7...dxe5 8.Qxg4 .|
|Feb-27-12|| ||Patriot: Actually 8.Bxd5 is terrible, proving my point that 7...d5 is not a bad human move to give white a chance to go wrong! But I missed the 7...Qh4+ 8.g3 line. I guess pattern recognition got the better of my senses.|
|Feb-27-12|| ||newton296: solved it in 3.24 seconds!
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|Feb-27-12|| ||Memethecat: <viking78> You are so lucky, you got the chance to work out this beautiful combo. Most people here, as in 90% plus, read about it in books. Congrats for solving, bit difficult for a Monday.
|Feb-27-12|| ||Limpin Kt: Simple enough, but not simple enough for monday. If memory serves right, its something similar to legal mate- but original legal mate wasn't tactically failsafe it seems.|
|Feb-27-12|| ||CHESSTTCAMPS: In this opening trap position, material is even, but white's extra developed piece makes a huge difference. Black's Ne5 looks so perfectly placed - attacking Bc4, reinforcing the pin on Nf3, and (apparently) protecting f7. But it ain't so:|
7.Nxe5! Bxd1 (dxe5 8.Qxg4 wins) 8.Bxf7+ Ke7 9.Nd5#
This is known as Legal's Mate, and can arise from various opening sequences, so Pillsbury, for all his accomplishments, was not the originator.
|Feb-27-12|| ||Hevelius: I am quite relieved to read that I'm not the only one to have taken more than a minute to solve this Monday riddle. A fascinating combination, doubtlessly.|
|Feb-27-12|| ||srag: I love Mondays! Now, <LoveThatJoker, Memethecat and Scormus>, would you please write to me? I'd like to discuss some books by and about Keres with you. My address is email@example.com.|
Thanks a lot.
|Feb-27-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: <srag> Why the need for e-mail, bro? |
Just swing by my forum and talk Keres. I would enjoy hearing what your recommendations on books and opinions on the great Estonian GM are!
This is the link to LoveThatForum: User: LoveThatJoker
|Feb-27-12|| ||Bobby Fiske: I guess this is the third most well known mate by white in the opening.|
|Feb-27-12|| ||TheTamale: <amaurobius>: Yes, if you weren't familiar with the theme this would certainly be hard for a Monday.|
It used to amaze me--still does--that masters are so able to exploit weak opening play, whereas hacks like me content ourselves to proceed with slight positional advantage.
|Feb-27-12|| ||Apoline48: Just want to point out that even if black position is a lost one, it's not yet a forced mate with 7...Be6
instead of comiting suicide with BxQ .
Even a bad player can ask himself why his oponent leaves his Queen en prise ! The real question is how to go on playing after this bad opening.
|Feb-27-12|| ||kevin86: Monday's puzzle:the Legal mate:queen sac followed by mate with the trio of minor pieces (poetically,equal to a queen)|
|Feb-27-12|| ||kevin86: An addendum:reverse the white king and queen in the position and the move:Nxe5 would not be Legal,but ILLegal.|
|Feb-27-12|| ||Robin01: Bravo, good puzzle. When Pillsbury was not baking, he was mating!:)|
|Feb-27-12|| ||Memethecat: <srag> that's the 2nd time you've offered me, <LTJ> & <scromus> your email, I'm fairly new to the world of communication via a keyboard but if you are already talking to someone why would you offer to go somewhere to talk to someone?. <srag> if your listening speak up, this is a safe place to air your thoughts about Keres. Or <LTJ>s forum as its a bit off topic here. ^.^|
|Feb-27-12|| ||geeker: Good to se the hoary Legal's mate in a famous player's game.
To my amazement, I once (at the local chess club) was able to execute precisely this combination!|
|Feb-27-12|| ||MichaelJHuman: What happens with 6...dxe? 7. Nxe5 Nxe5
Isn't 8. Qxe5 suicide?
Having troubles seeing that line
|Feb-27-12|| ||Garech: Nice and easy one today, although tougher than a lot of the "queen sac mondays". I play the Vienna myself and 3.f4 after Nc6 is not advisable. After Nf6 it's fine but black can equalise quickly with correct play.|
|Feb-27-12|| ||Crispy Seagull: I'm thinking 7. Nxe5. If the bishop takes Q on d1, then 8. Bxf7+ Ke7 9. Nd5#.|
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