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Igor V Platonov vs Vladimir Savon
USSR (1968)  ·  Pirc Defense: 150 Attack (B07)  ·  1-0
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Oct-09-05  Seraphina: <informeddissent> You're right I think, black has at least something to play around with. ... My first thought on this puzzle was Bb5 if QxB then Rd8... But the answer gxf5 is a pain, (white has to then do Bc6, Ne7... Qg5 + etc, which doesn't seem to add up to a great game... Looking at the actual game, however, I think Bb5 followed by Rd8 was playable on move 19. This suggests to me that Platonov already had his combo in mind a few moves earlier.
Oct-09-05  yataturk: Is a queen vs rook+knight a very bad trade for black (ie 20...Qxd6)?
Oct-09-05  chessnewbie: what about 20...Nexd6? how does white win?
Oct-09-05  Sadgrinner: <chessnewbie> If 20...Nexd6, then: 21. Ne7+ Kh8 (forced)
22. Qxf8#
Oct-09-05  Sadgrinner: Sorry! If 20... Ncxd6, then:
21. Ne7+ Kh8
22. Qxf8#

If 20...Nexd6, then
21. Qg7#

Oct-09-05  Seraphina: <yataturk> As an alternative to the mate, it would have been better. In general, it is always dependent on the position of course. I have the suspicion that Savon simply didn't wish to spend another 30 moves losing the game, because be MUST have seen what was coming.
Oct-09-05
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  dakgootje: One of the first things I saw was that if you could deflect one of the knights white would win, after which i thought for some seconds about Rd8 untill i saw that Qxd8 would ruin the fun quite a bit... Then i considered Rd6 but decided it to be too unclear whether white had a clear win after Qxd6 so i eliminated that move too. And because i didnt see a more or less obvious winning move i started to look at some more quiet moves like 20. Rdg1 (with the threat of 20. ...gxf5 21. gxf5 Kh8 22. Qxf8# (21. ...Qg6 22. Rxg6 hxg6 23. fxg6 (threatening Qh7#) Nf6 24. g7 and the threat of Qh8# cant be stopped)) and I thought that after 21. h4 white had an attack strong enough to win.
Oct-09-05  molle2006: Argh... I found nearly everything, the two mate threats after Nxd6 (for both knights) ... but missed g5.
Oct-09-05  MackTheTemp: if ncd6 it's mate in one after ne7+
Oct-09-05  PhantomKnight: I got a Sunday puzzle! I didn't see 24. g5, but I saw 24. Rg1, which also seems to win.
Oct-09-05  aginis: <yataturk> 20.Rd6 Qxd6 21.Nxd6 Ncxd6 22.Bd5 Rd8 23.h4 Nf6 24.h5 Nxh5 (24...gxh5 25.Qxf6 ;24...Nxd5 25.hg Re8 26.gh+ Kh8 27.ed -> Qf6# ) 25.gh g5 26.Qxg5+ Kh8 27.h6 Ne8 28.Qxd8
Oct-09-05  lopium: Too deep ending for me, I mean I saw some other nice moves, but those one, just incredible.
Oct-09-05
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  kevin86: Fine finish! Black's knights are pinned to his first row due to mate threats;therefore,white's rook can encroach and deliver mate threats-while chasing the hapless queen away from defense of the third row.
Oct-09-05  arenafootball9: What about 20. Bb5 followed by Rd8. That gets rid of the knight. Then the pawn would have to take the knight on f5 opening up the g file for the rook. That's what I originally saw. 20. Bb5...QxB 21. Rd8...g6xf5 22.g4xf5...Ne7 or something 23. Rg1 with no way to stop mate
Oct-09-05  Fezzik: Boy,

After Wade-Tal, 1966 on Saturday this was positively a cake-walk! Once I realised that the Black Knights were stuck the rest was easy! Thanks for giving me one I could solve!

BTW, I am still embarrassed that I'd forgotten the Wade-Tal game which I studied once back in the 1980s.)

Oct-09-05  Fezzik: Just an interesting note: Looking at the moves leading up to this position, Platonov was clearly planning something like this for at least three and probably more moves. He seems to have completely refuted Black's premature Q-side play.
Oct-09-05  mahmoudkubba: As far as I saw it when their is the white night if their isn't there one of the black nights then it is a complete loss to black. That is say if their is a real elephant or a real camel not a bishop nor a horse. any how can any body tells me abt the such match: envelope, condition, other things important so as to knows whats really going on not only looking. UC even some pirces might be not useful for such a game but may be only if it is a dest been played by one match not the details or tournaments ..etc about it. well I'm trying my best to understand so if posible help and tell me more newixes and informatixes.
Oct-09-05  EmperorAtahualpa: Wow, 20.Rd6, what an awesome move, I didn't see it at all. Great puzzle!
Oct-09-05  Ger7ry: Anyone know why the opening in this game is called the 150 attack?
Oct-09-05
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  Richard Taylor: < notsodeepthought: And, as usual, I didn't get the last (and key) move, in this case 24 g5. Well, actually that's not usual..> I also missed it I had - 23. Qh5+ Kg8 24. Qg5+ Kh8 25 Qh4+ Kg8 26 Nh6+ Kg7 then 27 g4 (!!) lol which is long way of doing what Platanov does by 24 g4 ! but the main thingis to see the 'guts' of the - in an OTB chess game i would have played 20. Rd6 as White at least has a perpetual up his sleeve and he picks up so many pawns - I also saw an ingenious Q sac etc etc 20 Rd6 I saw almost immediatley. I think Black should have played - 15... c4

I've never used Chess Master on any of htse ages but I suppose it might analyse it? Then I could see -but my reason is that 15...e5 seems to waste time -in this type of position Black has to race to atack White - and visa versa

Oct-09-05
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  Richard Taylor: The first move is a beautiful move...
Oct-09-05
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  Richard Taylor: Actually on its own that sounds like the start of a poem or some sort of puzzle -I meant the first move in this combo -hmmm - an interesting line - "The first move is a beautiful move."
Oct-09-05  arenafootball9: Still nothing on the thought of 20. Bb5? I don't have a chess program to analyze the position.
Oct-10-05  Seraphina: <arenafootball>: A few posts up I wrote something about it... Bb5 was my first option, but it becomes too conplicated ... 19. Bb5 would work well, however.
Oct-11-05
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  perfidious: <Ger7ry> The nomenclature originated iu Britain, due to the fact that many players of about 150 grade were playing this line vs the Pirc in the 1990s.
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