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|Oct-02-14|| ||hedgeh0g: <Jamboree: Somebody explain this to me: |
After 21. Qh3 Nxe4, what is white's winning line?>
22.Qh6! Rg8 (22...Qxf6 23.Qxf6#) 23.Qxh7+! Kxh7 24.Rh4#
|Oct-02-14|| ||zb2cr: Put me down with those who went for 21. Bh6.|
|Oct-02-14|| ||JG27Pyth: <<hedgehog> 22.Qh6! Rg8 (22...Qxf6 23.Qxf6#) 23.Qxh7+! Kxh7 24.Rh4#>>|
You meant: (22...Qxf6 23.Qxf8#)
|Oct-02-14|| ||MarkFinan: <zb2cr: Put me down with those who went for 21. Bh6.>|
And me. I'm gonna check now because I see people went with other lines but Bh6 looks best to me.
|Oct-02-14|| ||lost in space: and me.|
|Oct-02-14|| ||Jausch46: After 21....Qxf6, is not 22. Bg5 the best option? The black Qeen has nos safe place to go. The only free place for she is g7, but after 23. Be7 there is curtains.|
|Oct-02-14|| ||Herma48852: 21. Bh6 is the only move that made any sense to me although I couldn't work through all the lines. Hats off to those who found the trickier 21. Qh3|
|Oct-02-14|| ||amitjoshi79: if ne4 rg7|
|Oct-02-14|| ||Castleinthesky: I went with Bh6, Qh3 is for GM Polgar, who did much better (of course).|
|Oct-02-14|| ||dorsnikov: I agree with Al Wazir. B-h6 is also a winner !|
|Oct-02-14|| ||dfcx: 21. Bh6 looks good.
A) 21...Qxf6 22. Bxf8 and the black queen can't be saved with the threat of Bg7+ next.
B) 21...Rg8 22. Qg3 Rg6 23. Bg7+ Kg8 24. Qh4 wins
|Oct-02-14|| ||kevin86: I saw Bh6, but I think Qh3...and perhaps a few others can win. The problem is overcooked!|
|Oct-02-14|| ||LucB: I think Polgar blundered with 21. Qh3... She should have gone for my move (21. Bh6)|
|Oct-02-14|| ||BOSTER: White to play 17.(diagram)
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Because move 17.Rg4 looks to slow for Sicilian, where the speed is fast like in move "stopping short",I'd play here 17.Nf6+.
|Oct-02-14|| ||paavoh: @LucB: <... blundered...> ?? Black resigned after 21. Qh3, and both lines lead to a win, so that was good enough.|
However, I went for 21.Bh6 too without really considering Qh3, just by gravitating to the checks at g7.
|Oct-02-14|| ||Jamboree: < hedgeh0g: <Jamboree: Somebody explain this to me:
After 21. Qh3 Nxe4, what is white's winning line?>|
22.Qh6! Rg8 (22...Qxf6 23.Qxf6#) 23.Qxh7+! Kxh7 24.Rh4#>
Too obvious! What I missed was that after 22. Qh6 Qxf6, the rook is hanging on f8. (Not 23. Qxf6"#" as you say, because of 23. ... Nxf6. Instead, just 23. Qxf8#.) Oh well!
|Oct-02-14|| ||agb2002: White has a pawn for a knight.
Black threatens 21... Qxf6.
It looks as if the attack needs to incorporate more forces, which suggests 21.Bh6:
A) 21... Rg8 22.Rxg8+ Qxg8 (22... Kxg8 23.Qg5+ Kh8 24.Qg7#) 23.Bg7+ Qxg7 24.fxg7+ + - [Q+P vs B+N].
B) 21... Re8 22.Bg7+ Kg8 23.Bf8+ Kxf8 (23... Kh8 24.Rg8+ Kxg8 25.Qg3+ and 26.Qg7#) 24.Rg8+ Kxg8 25.Qg3+ and 26.Qg7#.
C) 21... Qxf6 22.Bxf8 + - [R vs N] and a winning attack.
D) 21... Nd7 22.Bg7+ Kg8 23.Qh3 and the threat 24.Qxh7+ Kxh7 25.Rh4+ Kg8 26.Rh8# doesn't seem to have adequate defense.
Probably the maneuver 21.Qh3 with the idea of 22.Rh4 (if 21... Qxf6 22.Bg5 Qg7 23.Be7) also wins but I have other things to do.
|Oct-02-14|| ||LucB: <paavoh>
I was being sarcastic of course!
|Oct-02-14|| ||Longview: I saw three candidate moves B-h6, Qh3, Rg7 but each seemed to have a complex follow on though winning as they had an attack that persisted. I got lost as to whether it was gaining material or just keeping up the crunch on the King. I thought 21. B-h6 Qxf6 would be easier to deal with than 21. Qh3 Bxf5 etc. |
Like Jamboree ( Jamboree: Somebody explain this to me: ) I saw the Nxe4 as solving some issues of keeping the B after Bxf5. What I did not see was the simple 22.Qh6 Rg8 23. Qxh7+ Kxh7 24. R-h4++. The two pawns provide a coverage of the g file that I was overlooking as a strength. If 22....Bxf5 then Qg7++.
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|Oct-02-14|| ||BOSTER: 17.Nf6+
gxf6 (Qxf6 Bg5) g6 fxg6 hxg6 Rxg6+ Kh7 Qh5#
g6 Nxb3 gxh7+ Kh8 Qg3 with mate.
Nxh7 Kxh7 g6+ Kg8 Qh5 Nf6 gxf7+ Rxf7 Qxf7+ Kh8 Qxg7#.
|Oct-02-14|| ||thegoodanarchist: Szendrei doesn't play the Najdorf quite as well as Kasparov.|
|Oct-02-14|| ||TheBish: Judit Polgar vs Szendrei, 1984|
White to play (21.?) "Medium"
White is down a piece for a pawn, but her attack cannot be resisted.
21. Bh6! and now:
(a) 21...Rg8 22. Rxg8+ Qxg8 (or 22...Kxg8 23. Qg4+ mates) 23. Bg7+ wins the queen (23...Qxg7 24. fxg7+).
(b) 21...Re8 22. Qg3 (or Qg2) and Black can choose between 22...Qxf6 23. Bg7+ Qxg7 24. Rxg7, or another move (say 22...Bb7) allowing 23. Rg8+! Rxg8 24. Bg7+ Rxg7 25. Qxg7#.
(c) 21...Qxf6 22. Bxf8 and the bishop check on the next move will hurt Black greatly, as 22...Qd8 loses to 23. Bg7+ Kg8 24. Bf6+, winning the queen.
In short, Black may as well resign.
Huh, didn't even look at 21. Qh3! I guess once you find a win, you don't usually need to look further.
|Oct-02-14|| ||Bubo bubo: A new attacker joins the party: 21.Bh6!
Now 21...Rg8 fails to 22.Rxg8+ Kxg8 23.Qg4 Kh8 24.Qg7#, while 21...Qxf6 22.Bxf8 loses the Rf8 and subsequently the queen, as she falls victim to the fork Bg7+ or the discovered attack 22...Qd8 23.Bg7+ Kg8 24.Bf6+.
On 21...Re8 or 21...Nd7 White continues with 22.Bg7+ Kg8 23.Qh3, and Black can stave off the threat of Qxh7+ followed by Rh4+ and Rh8# only at his queen's expense.
Edit: <Disappointment> for me too, since I missed that after Rg8 the rook is guarded by the queen and so my "22.Rxg8 Kxg8..."-line is nonsense. :-(
|Oct-02-14|| ||TheBish: I tried 17. Nf6+ in Guess the Move and was given 2 points partial credit (out of 3). But 21. Bh6 gave me full credit, 3 points.|
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