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Judit Polgar vs Herman Grooten
Budapest 1984  ·  Sicilian Defense: Scheveningen. Modern Variation (B83)  ·  1-0
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Nov-23-02  erap: haha What was that last move about?
Nov-24-02  mdorothy: Just a blunder. We all make 'em... especially me.
Dec-22-02  mprchess: A pretty big blunder.
Mar-18-03  KrokoKorchnoi: mmm.. hanging queens for nothing is not a good plan, esp. against Polgar
Mar-18-03  Bears092: I had a guy drop a queen against me in the last tournament.

He coulda mated me that move, but instead he dropped his queen, and resigned...

Feb-03-04  Robindale Boy: Qb6 absolutely a big blunder, i thought i was the only one who could make them.
Feb-04-04  catfriend: I'm impressed by Qb6!!! It shocked me first. Even my computer can't find it and understand the idea!
Feb-04-04  TrueFiendish: Evidently he was trying to get his queen out of danger but made a miscalculation. :-|
Feb-04-04
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  technical draw: Black should not have resigned. He should have played, 22..cxb2 then white plays 23.Rc1 bxc1(Q)+ 24.Bd1 Qxd1+ 25.Qe1 Qxe1 Mate!
Feb-04-04  TrueFiendish: Yes, white's misplaced queen on g3 is of no use to the defence in td's variation--brilliant!
Feb-04-04  Yuri54: Why would white play 23.Rc1? Rb1 seems more like it. White can hold the passed pawn and looking at who's playing the white side I think she would win.
Feb-04-04  clendenon: why wud white play 23 Rc1? Same reason black played 21..Qb6
Feb-05-04  catfriend: To win a brilliancy prize!
Feb-05-04  Whitehat1963: Is this really one of Judit's games? She would have been around 8 years old at the time. If so, why is it on the database? It's not brilliant chess, especially the ending. Black plays like a fool.
Feb-05-04  aulero: <Whitehat1963>, how many 8 years old you know able to play 18.Nxe5 and 20.Rxf6? It is also possible that all the sequence was calculated playing 16.Bxe5. I'm quite impressed.

<catfriend>, Qb6 shocked you. No, it was 20.Rxf6 that shocked Grooten.

Feb-05-04  Whitehat1963: But how is it that she's beating this guy when she's just 8 years old? And you have to admit that his last move wasn't worthy of his highest rating.
Feb-05-04  aulero: A blunder shows a psychological problem and not a chess weakness. Even world champions make terrible blunders.

What shock me (perhaps hurt me in a better description) is the Judit's opening preparation: note the plan 10.Qe1 and 11.Qg3. Why a little girl should be forced to hard study chess like a professional? Could not let her simply play chess in a more carefree way at 8?

Jan-26-05  GreenDayGuy: Holy cow. Not even I would make that big of a blunder. And was Judit really only 8 years old at the time? Only 8?!? Could someone please verify this?
Jan-26-05  sneaky pete: Played in May 1984, Judit was 7. This is an informal blindfold (both players) game, one of a series of rapid and blindfold games. Grooten had met Zsuzsa at a tournament in Kecskemet and she had invited him and some other victims to meet her two little sisters and test their playing strength.
Nov-20-05  Chopin: I can just imagine the look on Herman Grooten after he blunders away a queen- "A deer caught in the headlight". Not even Motrin could eradicate his pain. If Judit was this good at the age of 7, you can only imagine how could she would have been in years to come. Not only that, she had the ability to play blindfold chess at the age of 7. At the age of 7, I couldn't even play blindfold tic-tac-toe :)
Mar-14-06  Dodd: Well, I feel somewhat better about my blunders, having seen that. Not much better, but at least I know I am in good company.

I can't imagine that Judit would have played this well if she had just been hothoused. She must have loved the game to get so good, and certainly neither she nor her sisters are complaining about the fact that they were taught chess to the highest standard.

Mar-14-06
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  Boomie: More evidence that Judit was the strongest munchkin ever. Chessmetrics rates her number one all time through age 14.
Mar-14-06  thegreatzidane: <TrueFiendish: Evidently he was trying to get his queen out of danger but made a miscalculation. :-|>

According to WMD's post in Spassky vs Fischer, 1972, Qb6 is no miscalculation, Qb6 is a tragedy. :)

May-15-06  McCool: That was blunderful.
Oct-24-06  Sularus: we see that even at age 7, judit was already an attacker.

man o man!

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