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Judit Polgar vs Laurent Verat
"Quod Verat Demonstrandum" (game of the day Sep-23-2007)
Bagneux (1988)
Nimzo-Indian Defense: Panov Attack. Main Line (E54)  ·  1-0


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Sep-23-07  pastpawn: <Diemer007> After 22 ... axb4 23 ♖d8+ ♕xd8 24 ♖xd8+ ♖f8 25 ♖xf8+ ♔xf8 , better than allowing mate-in-one is 26 ♕d6+ followed by 27 ♕xb4, which wins fairly easy (♕ + 5♙ vs ♖ + ♗ + 4♙)
Sep-23-07  Diemer007: pastpawn, yours maths are correct. However one has to consider: ... Ke8, ..., Ra6, ... Bd7, which gives black A and B columns. stanleys, I agree with you; 12... Nf6 is a defence but certainly not an easy one. Please analyse: Ne4!! which gives white a 'Shirov, Rajabov, or Spielmann' type of win. (let alone Diemer of course).
Sep-23-07  Manic: <Diemer007>I'm not sure how black is ever going to recover after pastpawn's line. Black's pieces are all passive, his king's exposed and he's down a pawn. Furthermore, black's coordination is bad. On the other hand, white has an active queen with 2 nice pawn islands, and her king is safe, especially with black's pieces in the opposite corner of the board.

Also, black's bishop is tied to defending the b pawn, and the king is tied to defending an invasion by the queen behind the other pawns. I see no way black could even get a draw in such a position.

Also, when you mean Ne4, what move? I'm assuming 12.Ne4, but even after 12...Bxd2+ and 13...Nf6 I see nothing for white.

Sep-23-07  Manic: Sorry, I should have mentioned <stanleys> lines as well, which seem both correct to me, and helped me develop my ideas.
Sep-23-07  stanleys: <Diemer007:>
Sorry fellow,I don't want to be arrogant;it's good to have self-confidence,but it's good to have some chess knowledge as well,and not making statements based on superficial analyzes

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  Wolfgang01: Sorry Diemer007, nobody wants to play like Diemer. Why does no master practice it?
Sep-23-07  psmith: Does Diemer007 = Jaymthegenius = Jaymthetactician? Could it be?
Sep-23-07  psmith: The opening is surely a Caro-Kann, Panov-Botvinnik attack?
Sep-23-07  Hot Logic: <psmith> Yeah, that's what I thought too when I saw the opening.
Sep-23-07  Treadhead57: I know it is Latin but what is the translation of "Quod Verat Demonstrandum"?
Sep-23-07  Trinculo: It is a pun on "quod erat demonstrandum," or "Q.E.D." You can google that. :-)
Sep-23-07  Fourpointo: This is the Caro-Kann, Panov-Botvinnik Attack, the ECO code says so itself.
Sep-23-07  notyetagm: Judit's games are -so- tactical: one <ZWISCHENZUG> after another, indirect defense, etc.
Sep-23-07  Jesspatrick: 10. Bxh7+ Kxh7 11.Ng5+ Kg8 12.Qh5 Nf6 - +

Diemer, I want you in my quad next week.

Sep-23-07  Confuse: Funny to see all the retaliation to diemer.. I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic : P At least I hope so.. nice game here!
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  whiteshark: Black's name looks like Landes-Verrat, i.e. treason.
Sep-23-07  sitzkrieg: hehe.
It sounds french too:)
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  whiteshark: Nearly 03:00 hours in the morning, seeing <sitzkrieg> I'll get hungry again ... :D
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  artemis: In mathematical proofs, the last line is Q.E.D. which in latin is Quod Erat Demonstratum. Translated to english it means that which had to be shown. Therefore, writting this as the last line means that the author of the proof has finished his or her goal.

Richard Feynman also made a pun off of Q.E.D. in the title of his amazing theory of Quantum Electro-Dynamics.

Sep-23-07  sitzkrieg: More like 04.00; May i ask where you are from, Whiteshark. Germany?
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  whiteshark: <sitzkrieg> Yes, I'm from Germany, somewhere behind the dykes at the North Sea coast. When I drive smoothly I'd reach Groningen in 2 hours. :P

You used an unusual name -as Dutch- here: the German word for 'phoney war'. What's the background ?

Sep-24-07  sitzkrieg: If you think that maybe i was present during the phoney war, i have to dissapoint you:)

Since chess is a fake war between two (usually) sitting persons, this german word seemed an appropriate name. Also as a benefit I often get hostile reactions by some prejudiced kibitzers (ooh-ooh a german word with krieg in it!) What more can i ask from a nick!?

To conclude, you are lucky to live where you live, I think :D. From overpopulated Holland I envy your space (this time i won't use the german word)

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  amuralid: <sorry J but not everyone can play like Diemer, isn't it?> LOL! Nice one!
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  kevin86: I really enjoyed how Ms. Polgar manoevered her queen and rooks in this one. First,they dominated the 8th row,then the h-file,and finally the g-file.
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  gambitfan: A very interesting Panov Botvinnik Attack!
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