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|Apr-02-12|| ||LIFE Master AJ: BTW / A VERY pretty game by Judit ... and a nice miniature to boot.|
|Apr-02-12|| ||Penguincw: Damn. A good week last week but only considered the queen sac. I'm 0/1 this week. :(|
|Apr-02-12|| ||gawain: When in doubt, sacrifice the queen! Good advice for Mondays. I could hardly believe my eyes when I saw that 17 Qxf8+ forces mate.|
|Apr-02-12|| ||benjinathan: I actually thought the most interesting move in this game was 9.e5. I see that the pawn can't be taken because the Bishop will be lost due to the pin afte Re1, but is it actually a good move? The answer to that question is not so clear to me.|
|Apr-02-12|| ||Oxspawn: LaterÖ
I was looking for an alternative move for black at move 16, but there isnít one is there?
16. Rd1 loses prosaically to
17. Bf6 (followed by Qg7)
16. Qc5 falls to the fork
While 16. f6 loses to
17. Bxf6 Rxf6
18. Re8+ Kf7
Any other candidates?
|Apr-02-12|| ||sevenseaman: <
benjinathan: I actually thought the most interesting move in this game was 9.e5. I see that the pawn can't be taken because the Bishop will be lost due to the pin afte Re1, but is it actually a good move? The answer to that question is not so clear to me>
9. e5 is no doubt an intriguing move; but I have her best move as 14. Rae1 that leads to scuppering of her LSB but obtaining total and vital domination of the strategic 'e' file.
Surprised Black happily took the bait and what you apprehended actually happened.
|Apr-02-12|| ||Marmot PFL: <I actually thought the most interesting move in this game was 9.e5. I see that the pawn can't be taken because the Bishop will be lost due to the pin afte Re1, but is it actually a good move? >|
I am not sure either but it worked to trap black. Black is so far behind developmentally that she should not take more pawns, instead return material with 13...d5, if 14 ed6 then 14...Bxc3 is playable and simplifies 15 Bxc6 Qxc6 and black can defend.
|Apr-02-12|| ||dragon player: It's monday, so lets look for a queen sac:
Time to check.
|Apr-02-12|| ||solskytz: Not so simple to see for a Monday! I spent a good five seconds on this one today|
|Apr-02-12|| ||kevin86: Not that easy to see over the board:mate in three:
17 xf8+ xf8 18 h6+ g8 19 e8#
|Apr-02-12|| ||Jim Bartle: Count me as one who thought Re4 was the winner.|
|Apr-02-12|| ||haydn20: Hm--maybe this shows Black should really play 5...Nf6 in this opening?|
|Apr-02-12|| ||cyclon: 17. Qxf8+ Kxf8 18. Bh6+ Kg8 19. Re8X.|
|Apr-02-12|| ||olinart: Oxspawn, I think 16:..Ne5 holds the game. If white allows Ng4 Black actually gets a winning attack in the variations I explored.|
|Apr-02-12|| ||JG27Pyth: I think this is a quite a bit later in the week level of puzzle if it's taken back to where jp saw the combination... she's got it clearly in mind when she teases the bishop out of it's g7 spider hole with a "free" pawn and then "hangs" a piece at 14.Rae1! Leaving black fatally weak on the light squares and the back rank with no way to stop both threats without giving up too much material. A player of her tactical caliber is capable of calculating this stuff god knows how far back... hell she'd probably prepared this whole damn game from 9.e5 with her sisters the day before! Easy? :)|
|Apr-02-12|| ||chrisowen: Comb back 14...bxc3 looks like the mistake lovely finish from Judit managing re qxf8+ bus in lop back rag have a twigging that qxb5 in h6 toes and it allow in go for g6 black it display naievity in chaperone down qf5 in tease 17.qxf8+ kingxf8 bisoph6. In ditto monarch low in rescuing e8 at your behest it's pelting oar it clean in g8 19 re8 mate, Now edgen in 14 light rook read, bishop queen feckless green, Get over feint it pigeons feed eg as radiant it jus tinge, Ah bill makes an impression black it ten tn in a bg5 calms it 0-0 in ment it smooth in qxd4 yet I am toying with you 11...nc6 ko it down in digger it on im oo brethren f5 stir lurch in 12.qh4 and it set her trap 14 re1 doctoring bxc3 bxc3 qxb5 in gale it her in buy it h6! Is the railing reed I wall in sounding board spring for as put binge on b5s a qf5 idea it leaves to imagine the monday blues 17.qxf8+ now led it among in be mate in seems likes too really 18.bh6+ re8 slush in pup it.|
|Apr-02-12|| ||karban: Funny, but my first and more elegant for me choice is 17.Re4 followed by 18.Rh4 and mate next move(rook untouchable due 18.Bf6 and mate).|
|Apr-02-12|| ||remolino: While I agree that 17.Qxf8 is obviously the best move, mating in 2, doesn't 17.Re4 with the idea of 18.Rh4 also win easily? After 17.Re4, if 17... Qxd4 then 18.Bf6.
For some stupid reason I missed the Q sac and went for this move, but I think it wins comfortably too.|
|Apr-02-12|| ||EXIDE: I missed the solution, I thought that 17Re4 with the threat Rh4 next, wins. Black Q cannot capture R because of Bf6 wins.|
|Apr-02-12|| ||Oxspawn: <olinart> Not saying you are wrong olinart but I donít see it. |
17 Bf6 Ng4
17. Bf6 Nf3+
18. g2xf3 and black has no queen move that exploits the gap or prevent Qg7
What is the continuation after Bf6 that works for black?
|Apr-02-12|| ||David2009: Judit Polgar vs P Angelova, 1988 White 17?|
Very clever trap by Judith Polgar. Rewind one move,
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after 16.Qh6! Crafty End Game Trainer plays Qxg5 to prevent mate (interactive link: http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t...). The EGT then gives an excellent example of how to defend resourcefully an objectively lost position: enjoy finding the win. Rewind two moves and the EGT declines the proffered piece, answering 15.bxc3 with 15...h5! and keeping material level albeit with a positional disadvantage. Link: http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t...
Sacrificing the black squares with ...Bxc3 is not always wrong: an example where it is devastatingly effective is
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(Ewing vs Keene, 1967 White 13?). I played 13.Bc4 and wes thunderstruck when Ray Keene sacrificed his Kingside black squares with 13...Bg7xc3 - and there was nothing I could do about it. You will notice that he has kept control of d4 and e5. Interactive link: http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t...
|Apr-02-12|| ||chrisowen: Artificial intelligence in bait. Jail 17 qxf8+ top it a kingf8 in |
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|Apr-02-12|| ||Patriot: 17.Qxf8+ Kxf8 18.Bh6+ Kg8 19.Re8# - completely forced.|
|Apr-02-12|| ||Travis Bickle: Sac The Ol Lady on f8 and it's all over in 2. ; P|
|Mar-06-13|| ||clownface: Yes, benjianthan, I love this move. This game is in the book "WINNING QUICKLY WITH WHITE" AND IS ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS IN MY OPINION! Anything any of the Polgars do is like Reti or Blackburne in my opinion- worth looking at! INTERESTING CHESS IS WHERE IT'S AT...SPIELMANN TALKED ABOUT THIS!!|
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