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Judit Polgar vs Manuel Rivas Pastor
Seville (1993)  ·  Lion Defense: Anti-Philidor. Lion's Cave (B07)  ·  1-0
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Sep-22-11
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  Patriot: <sevenseaman> 1.Nc7+ Kd6 2.Qxe5+ Kxe5 3.Bg3#
Sep-22-11
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  LIFE Master AJ: 15.Ndb5 is what I went for ...
Sep-22-11
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  LIFE Master AJ: <sevenseaman> Nice puzzle, where did it come from?
Sep-22-11
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  chrisowen: Emergency in long lost donner kebab attak turn screw sick jump nb5 a8 frayed pat sock foot nb5 nicked c7 road sandal a meld in cottages it saw off able chap pebble a lust blitzen her reign dear.
Sep-22-11  Memethecat: <sevenseaman> I had good look earlier & came to this conclusion <17Kxd1 Bg4+. 18Kc1 Bxg1. 19Rxg1> the BR escapes & white is only up a P. if white tries <19Nxa8> it loses to <19...Be3+. 20Kb1 Bf3.> traping the WR & putting black in a strong position.

But all in all I'm happy with my original analysis, it came to me fairly quickly & I was eager to jot it down & check how well i'd done. So maybe thats a good lesson for me today, when I'm sure i've got it, I should stop & go back over everything slowly to make sure i haven't missed anything. measure twice, cut once is a good adage for chess too.

The <anderson> puzzle was so difficult, considering it was mate in 3 & with so few pieces on the board, I'm not ashamed to say it was getting on for an hour before I got it.

Sep-22-11  Memethecat: Thanks <gofer> as you can see from my last I did the sums & we are in complete accord. The <17Kxd1> gaff was almost worth making as it has led to some interesting & enjoyable analysis.
Sep-22-11  Memethecat: <sevenseaman> <1Nc7+ Kd6. 2Qxe5+ Kxe5. 3 Bg3#> a lot easier than yesterdays monster.
Sep-22-11  newton296: this combo is why I will never be a great chess player!

I quickly notice the loose bishop at c5 and back rank mate threats so Ndb5 Rxd3 NxQc7 RxR but here, without much thought I figured I would just play KxR instead of the correct NxR and blow the whole combo!

when will I learn?

Sep-22-11  BOSTER: Everybody knows that the safety of own king is the first task. But in such pos.(diagam after white 11.dxc6)


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Where black already sacr. couple pawns you can not loose a tempo to play o-o. Better to attack the pinned e3 bishop, <a candidate for bedlam> which has not enough protection.

What is nice for black in such position that bishop e3 can be attacked by both knights from g4 and c4. And then white has to think how to protect the bishop e3. At least it means you take the initiative, at least white has to forget about <luxurious life> to play o-o-o. After 11...Ng4 if 12.Nd1 Nc4
if 12.Kd2 Nc4+
if 12.Ne4 Nxe3 13.Qxe3 f5.

Sep-22-11
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  estrick: <SimonWebbsTiger: The English have a wonderful expression for a silly thought: "a brain fart". >

Americans use that expression as well.

Sep-22-11
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  Shams: <estrick> Always hated that expression.
Sep-22-11
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  FSR: The first time I encountered the expression was when retired American General Anthony Zinni used it to describe the Iraq War. http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C...
Sep-22-11
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  Shams: <FSR> Two of my male classmates were supremely annoyed at having lost an Appellate Ad competition to two of our fellow female classmates, back in our 1L year. The one guy couldn't get over that he had lost to a team one member of which, when she was panicking, told the judges she was having a "brain fart". For him it just seemed like the ultimate breach of composure.
Sep-22-11
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  FSR: <Shams> I'm inclined to agree with your classmate. I can't imagine telling a judge at oral argument that I'm having a "brain fart."
Sep-22-11  Creg: I think white wins an exchange here.

15.Ndb5 Rxd3 16.Nxc7 Rxd1+ 17.Nxd1 and here black's bishop on c5 is under attack from the bishop at g1, so if 17...Bxg1 18.Nxa8

Sep-22-11  Creg: <dzechiel In my defence, my wife was asking me to hurry up and join her in the family room. Still, that's not an excuse, just an explanation.>

Depends on what happened in the living room. A) If your smiling then it's an explanation, B) Other wise she was nagging you and it's an excuse... :)

Sep-22-11
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  sevenseaman: <newton296> <17. Kxd1>, is doubtless an error to be seen well in time. An undeveloped B frustrates Black's R and gives White some scope for a 'base line mate'. That is why the latter shuns <15. Ne6>.

Black's LSB is his last remaining piece to be developed. <This development gives room to his a8 R to roam. This 'liberation' can never be of any help to White>. It must warn the wary solver to keep the K in wraps and leave his c3 N at its post.

I'll say, do not be disheartened; let it be a lesson well-learnt that will help you in real battle, OTB.

<Patriot> and <Memethecat> Talented solvers.

<LMAJ> The scrap heap, a good source at times.

Sep-22-11  Wyatt Gwyon: What the hell is the lion defense? lol
Sep-22-11
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  sfm: <Creg: dzechiel: In my defence, my wife was asking me to hurry up and join her in the family room. Still, that's not an excuse, just an explanation.

Depends on what happened in the living room. >

Or rather, whether we can accept it as either an excuse or an explanation for releasing Dzechiel from his daily duties here, depends on what he thought his wife had intended to happen in the family room.

Sep-22-11
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  sfm: <BOSTER: After 11.-,Ng4 ...> Nice idea. But White can play 12.cxb7,Bxb7 13.Nf5. What now?
Sep-23-11
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  FSR: <Wyatt Gwyon: What the hell is the lion defense?>

<<'The Black Lion' is a system that is characterized by the following moves:

1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 Nbd7

Black can also play 3...e5. The setup is similar to the Philidor Defence, but the authors make it clear that the Black Lion is in fact a separate system. Black's idea is much more aggressive: to delay castling and quickly go for h7-h6 and, if possible, g7-g5, often combined with the typical maoeuvre Nd7-f8-g6-f4.>>

http://www.chessvibes.com/reviews/r...

Sep-23-11
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  Gregor Samsa Mendel: Or, Black can combine the Lion and the Philidor and get slaughtered:

Botvinnik vs Tartakower, 1936

Sep-23-11
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  FSR: <GSM> Quite a slaughter indeed, although with White having played c4 I'd call it an Old Indian.
Sep-23-11  doubledrooks: <Jimfromprovidence> wrote: <Missed it. I looked at 15 Nb5 Qd7 16 Bxc5 cxb5 and saw that as an even exchange. I overlooked the followup 17 Qxb5 which puts white up two pawns.>

It's possible there's a better line after 15. Ndb5 Qd7: 16. Nc7


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Now play could go 16...Bxg1 17. Nxa8 Qxd3 18. Bxd3 Be3+ (I overlooked this in my original analysis) 19. Kb1 Nxa8 20. Bxh7+ Kxh7 21. Rxd8 Nb6. White's up two pawns and has both rooks for three minor pieces.

Sep-24-11  BOSTER: <sfm> <Nice idea . But white can play 12.cxb7 Bxb7 13.Nf5. What now?>. You can note that black position was not prepared to begin attack,and you will be right.

But when you began an attack you can not stop it in the middle.

So after 11...Ng4 12.axb7 black can not afford to play 12...Bxb7 and 13.Nf5.

They have to play very sharp variations without considering the material.

One line is 12.axb7 Nxe3 to keep an attack on a king stranded in the middle of the board. 13.bxa8=Q Nxa8.
Another line is after 12.axb7 Bxd4-pressure on bishop on e3 and to move white queen under the possibility to fork after Nxe3 13.bxa8=Q Nxa8.

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