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|Jul-08-05|| ||gambitfan: And so did I ! I thought that it was 26. Ne6 !|
|Jul-08-05|| ||THE pawn: I got the first move, but the continuation I had seen was different:|
Rxe6+ kf8 27.Nf6 Bxf6 28.exf6 and afterwards Qh6#
but Timman's line was quite effective actually.
|Jul-08-05|| ||Shokwave: Yeah, I was in the Nxe6 camp too. Not as convincing as Rxe6, but I think it leads to an easy win.|
|Jul-08-05|| ||The King Returns1: I was looking at 26. Qg5+ Kf8 (kind of forced). At this point I was looking to take the e6 pawn with either the rook or the knight. It looks like this is still winning, but I can't see it through much farther. I guess that's why he's the GM.|
|Jul-08-05|| ||JohnBoy: <cyclemath, SamuelS> - more than the material, the fact that black's king is surrounded by a host of unfriendly forces is telling. After 28...Qd7 29.Nd6+ Ke7 30.Nxg7, white threatens Qh4+ followed by Bxf7 with too many mate threats to parry. Black must surrender major material to maybe make it to move 40.|
|Jul-08-05|| ||halcyonteam: easy to see the rook sac|
|Jul-08-05|| ||fgh: I solved this one. But in 34 seconds :-)|
|Jul-08-05|| ||kevin86: I looked at Qg5+ but missed the simple retreat at f8. Obviously,the text avoids this. Blacks position soon becomes untenable.|
|Jul-08-05|| ||chessic eric: I also am in the Nxe6 camp despite seeing the mate threats involved with Qf6. It seems I usually find the second best line...argh. I think I looked for the knight move because this strikes me as similar to positions with the black king on the e file, white rook on e1 and either a bishop or knight able to trade for the f7 and e6 pawns with check.|
<BeautyInChess> I played 28.Rd8 also and couldn't see any problems (if necessary Nd6 loads up on the pinned bishop). There are also some unnecessarily complicated lines with 28.Bxe8,Kxe8 29.Rxe6+ that I looked at before finding 28.Rd8.
Am I the only one who doesn't do these puzzles in the early am? You people need to sleep.
|Jul-08-05|| ||admiralnemo: someone probably already mentioned this, but doesn't 26.Qg5+ kf8 27.nxe6+ fxe6 28. Rd8 win? |
what say you, crafty?
|Jul-08-05|| ||notsodeepthought: <admiralnemo> <someone probably already mentioned this> Indeed, someone did... (see my post on page 1). I'm glad we agree.|
|Jul-08-05|| ||jondoe: Wow, Queen is forked to death...|
|Jul-08-05|| ||ThomYorke: This game is really interesting. Look at after 11th move. White is too much better than Black. Almost every white´s pieces are developed. And Black has only a bad placed queen developed.|
|Jul-08-05|| ||dac1990: <admiralnero> I also said 26.Qg5+, and this works quite well, according to Fritz: 26. ...Kf8 27.Re8 Nc6 28.Rxa8 Nb8 29.Qf4+ Ke7 <29. ...Kg8 30.Bxe8, with a full rook> 30.Bxe8 Kxe8 31.Nd6+ Kd7 32.Qf7+ Kc6 33.Qxe6 Kb6 34.Qb3+ Kc6 35.Qc4+ Kb6 36.Nc8+, winning the Queen.|
However, it is a lot simpler to play the solution than to calculate ten moves deep. In my opinion, it is more beautiful as well, as no matter where the black queen moves on the 28th, white will pick it up with 29.Nd6+ and a discovered check.
|Jul-08-05|| ||paul dorion: <dac1990> The Nc6 -Nb8 sequence, giving a whole rook just to gain a few moves, is typical computer stuff. What did Fritz found against the more plausible 27 ....Qe7 or 27...Qxe5|
|Jul-08-05|| ||Montreal1666: Yes Nxe6 looks more natural and should work as well. Black is hopeless
and white has many ways to win.|
|Jul-08-05|| ||piteira8: The puzzle is based on the c-knight forking the queen and the king. If black takes the rook, a check with the queen on g5 sets up the fork. This could not have been a five-minute game.|
|Jul-09-05|| ||Richard Taylor: I went for 26. R:e6 Ke8 27. R:e8 Ke8 but counted on 28. e6! which I thought won. I still think it wins. Eg 27. ...Nc6 28. e:f7+ Kf8 29. Ne6+ wins and 28. ... Ke7 29.Qg5+ wins also.|
I think my line wins but Timman's is more dramatic eg if 27. ... Kf8 (it's hard to find a move for Black) 28. e:f7 Qe7 29. Ne6+ Q:e6 30 Qd8#
27...Ke7 28 Qf5+ Kf8 29 ef7 wins also
I cant find a defence to 28. e6
|Jul-09-05|| ||Richard Taylor: Correction -In the above Qd8 is not mate but it's mate next move.|
|Jul-09-05|| ||admiralnemo: <dac> i agree, the solution as played is much more beautiful--i just didn't find it. did find the uglier Qg5 though.|
|Jul-10-05|| ||patzer2: I guess for a Super GMs like Timman and Quinteros, the crushing lines for White after 28...Qd7 29. Nd6+ Ke7 30. Nxg7 are obvious. However, I must admit it wasn't so obvious for me. So, I worked it out in detail with Fritz 8 for the following pursuit combination possibilities: |
28... Qd7 29. Nd6+! Ke7 30. Nxg7 f6
[A. 30... Kd8 31. Qg5+ Kc7 32. Nge8+ Kb6 33. Qe3+ Ka5 34. Qc5+ Ka4 35. Nc4 Qc6 36. Nb2#;
B. 30...h6 31. Qxh6 Kd8 32. Qf6+ Kc7 33. Nge8+ Kc6 34. Qf3+ Kc5 35. Qc3+ Kb6 36. Qd4+ Ka5 37. Qc5+ Ka4 38. c3 Qb5 39. Bd1+ Ka5 40. Nxb7#;
C. 30... Nc6 31. Qg5+ Kf8 32.
Ngf5 f6 33. Qxf6+ Kg8 34. Nh6#]
31. exf6+ Kxf6 32. Qd4+ Ke7 33. Ndf5+ Kd8 34. Ne6+ Kc8 35. Qh8+ Qe8 36. Qxe8#
|Oct-17-16|| ||AlicesKnight: A two-horse race....|
|Oct-17-16|| ||kevin86: Black dies very quickly!|
|Oct-17-16|| ||YetAnotherAmateur: That rook on a8 sure was useful, eh?|
|Oct-17-16|| ||RandomVisitor: After 21.Rxd6 black has drawing chances
click for larger view
0.00/43 21...Nd7 22.h3 b5 23.f5 Bf8 24.Bxf7+ Kxf7 25.fxe6+ Kg7 26.Nd4 Bxd6 27.Nf5+ Kh8 28.Nd5 Qc4 29.Nxd6 Qf1+ 30.Kh2 Ne5 31.Nb6 Bxe6 32.Nxa8 Nf3+ 33.gxf3 Qxh3+ 34.Kg1 Qg3+ 35.Kf1 Qxf3+ 36.Kg1 Qg3+ 37.Kf1 Bh3+ 38.Ke2 Qg2+ 39.Ke3 Qg3+ 40.Ke2
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