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Karl Robatsch vs Duncan Suttles
FRA (1974)  ·  Modern Defense: General (A41)  ·  0-1
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Jun-07-05  vonKrolock: <DP12: I wonder if Duncan Suttles could have played 20...Qh4! h3 Ng5 instead of his move 20...Ng5!?> Yes, he could - but after 22.Bg4! hg 23.Qg4 white is safe with a sane P to the good

<21.g3> a weak move - well, of course he had some intention playing thus: if there were not wolves, the sheeps would arrive to Mecca...

< I am not sure that Karl Robatsch was losing "straightforwardly" after 25. Rh1> The actual line untill 29.Kh1 being practically forced, leaves black with a decisive positional advantage – the P in ‘h2’ is very inconvenient for white, also the K placing in ‘h1’ quite unconfortable: sooner or later those factors will tell – what really happened in the Game

Jun-07-05  vonKrolock: <25.Rh1>? <25.hg Rh2 26.Kg1 Rah8!? (the second piece sac) 27.Bg4 (now forced - Qh6! was threatened) 27...f5 (best) 28.ef gf 29.Bf3 Qh6! (a leitmotiv...) 30.Bh5! (way to freedom) Rh5 31.Qc4> <note:> black can improve this line playing now 31...e4!?, trying to cut the K's escape, thus forcing 32.Ne4 or 32.Qd4 Kf7 33.Ne4 <the second piece return (!)>, what would, anyway, leave white with a better position plus one or two PPs>

Jun-07-05  vonKrolock: Then <26...Rf2> was a better practical chance (even if 27.Rf2 Qc1 28.Qf1 Qc3 29.Bg4 leaves white with a piece too much –for two PPs) : But the alternative 27.Qe1!? can gives room for some hidden quirks <note: neither 27.Qd3 Rd2!, nor 27.Qd1 Qe3! are to be considered>:
Jun-07-05  vonKrolock: Therefore <25.hg Rh2 26.Kg11 Rf2 27.Qe1> !? a) 27...Rb2 is dangerous enough for white: (aa) 28.Bg4 (Qh6! was threatened) 28...Qg4 29.Qe3 Rh8! 30.Rf2 Rh3! etc; (ab) with 28.Nd1 Ra2 29.Nf2 Nf2 <note: 29...Ne3 is also interesting> 30.Rf2 Qg3 31.Bg2 the compensation for the piece is already satisfactory for black
Jun-07-05  vonKrolock: <25.hg Rh2 26.Kg1 Rf2 27.Qe1> 27...Rxf3!!? a wonderful find - black sacrifices further the exchange, and plays from now on a R behind! The point is that if now 28.Rf3 Rh8! 29.Qf1 (targeting ‘f7’) in order to win a tempo for the defense, then 29...Rh1!! wins sur-le-champ (!) - white must proceed precise and carefully: 29.Nb5! (better than a mere waiting move) Qh6 30.Rf7 (again the return of a piece!) Kf7 31.Rc7 (but not 31.Nd6?? Ke7 32.Nc8 Kd8! And black wins) 31...Kg8 32.Rc8 Kg7 – and white have a choice between perpetual check, or a balanced endgame after 33.Rh8 Kh8 34.Qe2! (not 34.Nd6? Qh2 35. Kf1 Kg8! etc)

Jun-08-05  DP12: I understood that after 20...Qh4 h3 Ng5 white could take a pawn but as far as I could tell this transposes to the case that he refused after Ng5. but maybe not exactly. Rf3 is a nice move so, white probably avoided hg with good reason.
Jun-08-05  vonKrolock: <DP12> Maybe that fantastic exchange sacrifice <27...Rf3!!> was never took into consideration (even in post-play analysis) by both players (partly because the line <27.Rf2 Qc1 etc> is clear enough for a practical aproach): but it's a nice paradox - and also of difficult aprehension, because no black piece occupies the fatidic 'h' line when it occurs: it's a really wonderful example of an artistic stroke, like those found in composed Studies...

< in the line <27... Rf3!! 28.Rf3 Rh8 29.Nb5 Qh6 30.Rf7! Kf7> white can continue now with 31.Qf1 too, namely: Nf6 (forced) 32.Rc7 etc, also with a draw or balanced endgame

Jun-08-05  vonKrolock: <DP12: this transposes to the case that he refused after Ng5>

<20...Ng5> 21.Bg4 hg 22.Qg4 Rh4!!, and now: a) 22.Qh4?? Nf3!;

b) 22.Qe2 Qh8!, and if 23.h3?, then 23...Rh3!

c) 22.Qg3 (best) Ne4 - geting the P back with some advantage

<but maybe not exactly.> Exactly - "maybe not exactly" :)

Jun-08-05  DP12: After 26... Rf2 your claim that white could continue 27.Rf2 and white would stand better after Qc1 etc...but why not simply play 27...Nxf2 threatening g3 and also threatening c1? White would be obligated to reply 28.Rf1 to avoid some embarrassing incident like Re1 Qg3+ Bg2 Rh1! but then black wins very easily by Qxg3+ Bg2 Nh3+ Kh1 Qxc3. Your move 27.Qe1 is another move but in fact black must still be better at least by simply taking on b2 if not in the line Rf3, which goes beyond my powers of analysis without anyway to move the pieces after 25.h:g.
Jun-08-05  DP12: Well I will try anyway. Even though it is nice to try to win with Rh1+! after 27...R:f3 28 R:f3, maybe the more direct 28...Qh6! is better, for example after this move, your interesting defense with 29.Nb5 probably fails to 29... Qh2+ 30.Kf1 Qh1+ 31.Ke2 Qg2+ 32.Rf2 Nxf2 33.Qxf2 Qxe4+ 34.Qe3(looks forced) Qxd5 with alot of pawns and the knight and a2 pawn both hanging with check.
Jun-08-05  DP12: 30...Qb2!? is also a very interesting possibility because the threat is Nh2+ winning the house and seems even stronger. This confirms the strength of your concept Rf3!! and I don't see anyway for white to survive...
Jun-09-05  vonKrolock: <DP12> Your appretiation of this highly inflammable situation <after <25.hg Rh2 26.Kg1 Rf2!> and now?!> brings forward new and interesting possibilities:

<27.Rf2> 27...Nf2. now (a) 28.Rf1?? is weak: 28...Qg3 29.Bg2 Nh3 30.Kh1 Rh8! and wins - So white must choose between (b) 28.Qf1 or (c) 28.Rc2;

< and after <27.Qe1 Rf3 28.Rf3> 28...Qh6> A smart attempt! In this situation, only 29.Kf1!? can perhaps make some difference to lines that affords an immediately subsequent 29...Rh8 (of course that 29.Nb5?? can be discarded)

Jun-10-05  vonKrolock: <27...Nf2> (b) 28.Qf1: with (ba) 28...Qg3 29.Qg2 Nh3 30.Nh3 Kf8 etc white is safe; so, the beautiful (bb) 28...Nh3! 29.Kg2 (best - if K in the line 'h', then Rh8! wins) 29...Nf4 30.Kf2 Nd3! wining the exchange; therefore (c) 28.Rc2 is the only move! 28...Qg3 29.Qg2 Nh3 30.Kf1 and black's attack fades away
Jun-10-05  vonKrolock: < and after <27.Qe1 Rf3 28.Rf3> 28...Qh6>

29.Kf1 Nh2 (or 29...Rh8 30.Ke2 etc - but not 30.Rf2?? Qc1!) 30.Ke2 or even 30.Kg2 and the perspectives for black are not clearly brilliant...

It seems that 28...Rh8!! is still the best:
(a) 29.Rf2? Rh1! followed by Nf2 and Nd3;

(b) 29.Rd3 Rh2! etc

(c) 29.Nb5! (best)

28...Rh8!! is, therefore, the only way to force the return of a R (!) in this line - 29.Nb5 Qh6 30.Rf7 etc - and ensure an even game

Jun-10-05
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  Benzol: <vonKrolock> I left a question for you at the Kibitzers Cafe but you probably missed it so I'll ask again here.

Have you ever heard of a player named Max Ponimoni? He was originally from Germany moved to New Zealand and played in a New Zealand Chess Championship in the late 1950's and subsequently settled in Brazil.

Jun-10-05  vonKrolock: <Benzol> Oh, sorry - the Caf้ is changing too fast recently - No, i never heard of him - it's already a mystery: nothing can be found on-line, too... Well, i mean that many informations are not yet on-line - if You could precise where exactly in Brazil he settled?!
Jun-10-05
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  Benzol: <vonKrolock> I'm sorry mate the info I've given is all I have. It comes from Ortvin Sarapu's book on the 25 five years of New Zealand Championships. I thought that Max Ponimoni might have played later in Brazilian Chess Circles somewhere. Don't worry about it, I was just curious.
Jun-11-05  vonKrolock: I submitted brief notes to another episode of ultra-violence Kotov vs Lipnitsky, 1951

<Benzol> ok, even so i'll try to verify this point

Jun-11-05  aw1988: I have grown very much attached to these openings played by Keene/Day/Suttles/Robatsch or anyone else like that (there are a few Canadians). Flank openings really have a nature of their own.
Sep-08-05  atripodi: <I have grown very much attached to these openings played by Keene/Day/Suttles/Robatsch or anyone else like that (there are a few Canadians). Flank openings really have a nature of their own.> I'm recently recovering from a similar phase myself (in which, much to the dismay of my friends, I played 1.g3 or 1...g6 in virtually every game). In addition to the names you mentioned, the games of GMs Norwood, Hickl, and Azmaiparashvili are very instructive for the aspiring flank opening master.
Sep-08-05
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  IMlday: Already in the early 70's Ray Keene had categorized the 'system' as 'climbing up the edges'. Note that after 15..Bh6 (and subsequently) the black pieces are only using the back rank and h-file, yet are well developed.. Periphery chess.. ??
Oct-31-05  lentil: 24. Bxg4? hg+ 25. Kg2 (25. Kxg3 Qf4+ 26. Kg2 Rxh2+ 27. Kg1 Rah8 28. Bf3 Rh1+ 29. Bxh1 Qh2#) ... Rxh1+ 26. Kg1 Rah8 27. Bf3 g2 28. Bxg2 Rh1#
Jun-14-06  mack: I came across a dusty copy of the Batsford Chess Yearbook 1974 today; it describes the state of play after 16...Nxh6 as 'A more-or-less standard position for Suttles or his fellow countryman Day'.
May-01-09  ROO.BOOKAROO: Ray Keene comments on this game in his LONDON TIMES column for May 2, 2009. The first few moves are described by him in a slightly different order, but they develop the same position and the same ensuing game.
May-01-09
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  ray keene: i have just put a direct link to my comments to robatsch v suttles on lawrence days page
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