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| cu8sfan: <unfair. the diagram on the main
page does not match the position here.> What diagram do you have? For me it's the same. |
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| chessgames.com: Hesam: yes, you did cover that line, sorry I overlooked that. To extend your line a few more moves: 49.Qxa1 Qd6+ 50. Kh1 Qd5 51. Qe5!  thesonicvision: 45.f5!! is the tactic, we might have started it on move 46 but that would be a lot easier. |
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| worktobedestroyed: What happens on 46...Qxd7?
I'm sure it's obvious.. but I can't figure it out |
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| patzer2: <1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 e6 3. c4 c5 4. e3 d6 5. Nc3 Nbd7 6. Be2 a6 7. O-O Be7 8. a3
O-O 9. b4 b6 10. Rb1 Qc7 11. bxc5 dxc5 12. a4 Re8 13. d5 exd5 14. cxd5 Bd6> [
perhaps worth a try for Black is 14... Bf8!? 15. Qb3 Rb8 16. Bb2 Bd6 17.
Rfc1 Bb7 18. h3 Ne5 19. Nd2 Qe7 20. Nce4 Nxe4 21. Nxe4 Bc7 22. Rd1 Qh4 (22...
Red8? 23. d6 Bxd6 24. Nxd6 Rxd6 25. Rxd6 Qxd6 26. Bxe5 Qxe5 27. Qxb6 a5 28.
Qa7 ) 23. Qc2  ] <15. h3 Ne5 16. Nd2 c4 17. f4 Nd3 18. Nxc4 Nxc1 19. Rxc1
Bd7> [White seems to get the upper hand after 19... Bc5 20. Qd3 Bb7 21. Kh1
Rac8 22. e4 Rcd8 23. d6 Bxd6 24. Nxd6 Rxd6 25. Nb5 Rxd3 26. Nxc7 Ra3 27. Nxe8
] <20. Nxd6 Qxd6 21. Qd4 Qe7> [White appears to get a winning advantage after 21... Bf5 22. g4 Bg6 23. Bf3 (White traps the Bishop but loses the game after 23. f5?? Qg3+! 24. Kh1 Qxh3+ 25. Kg1 Rxe3 26. Qf4 Rg3+ 27. Kf2 Nxg4+ 28. Ke1 Rxc3 29. fxg6 (29. Rxc3 Qxc3+  ) 29... Rxc1+ ) 23... h6 24. Bg2 Rac8 25. e4 ] <22. Rf3 Qa3> [Interesting, but apparently insufficient for Black is 22... Bf5 23. d6 Qd8 24. g4 Bc8 25. e4 Bb7 26. Re3 Rc8 27. e5 Nd7 28. Rb1 ] <23. Rb1 Rac8 24. e4! Qc5 25. Rb4 Qa5> [also losing for Black is 25... Qxd4+ 26. Rxd4 b5 27. axb5 axb5 28. e5 Nh5 29. Bxb5 Bxb5
30. Nxb5 Rc1+ 31. Rf1 Rc2 32. Rf2 ] <26. Rg3 g6 27. Rxb6> [
Stronger and ensuring the win for White is 27. Bd3! b5 28. axb5 axb5 29.
Kh2 Nh5 30. Rf3 Nf6 31. Rb3 b4 32. Rxb4 ] <27... Nxe4 28. Nxe4 Rxe4 29. Qxe4
Qxb6+ 30. Kh2 Re8 31. Qc4 Qd6 32. Bd3 a5 33. Qd4 Rb8 34. Bb5 Bxb5 35. axb5 Rxb5
36. Rc3 Rb8 37. Rc6 Qd7 38. Ra6 Qb5 39. Ra7 Qb4 40. Qf6 Rf8 41. d6 Qb6 42. Re7
a4 43. Qe5 a3 44. d7 Qc6?> [Sometimes, as in this case, passive defense is best. After 44... Qd8!? 45.
Qf6 a2 46. Rxf7 Qxf6 47. Rxf6 Rd8 48. Ra6 Rxd7 49. Rxa2  , Black is a pawn
down but has practical drawing chances in the Rook and Pawn ending.] <45. f5!>
This strong move wins immediately. <45...gxf5> [Other defenses are also futile:45... a2 46. f6 a1=Q 47. Qxa1 Qc7+ 48. Qe5 Qd8
49. Qf4 h5 50. h4 Kh7 51. Qe5! Kg8 52. Kh1 (52. Re8? Qxd7=) 52... Kh7 (
52... Qb6 53. Re8 Qb1+ 54. Kh2 Qb6 55. Rxf8+ ) 53. Re8 ; 45... f6 46. Qg3 g5 47. h4 h5 48. hxg5 h4 49. Qb3+ Kh8 50. Qd1 Qc7+ 51. Kh1 Kg8 52. gxf6 Qg3
53. d8=Q ;
45... Qa8 46. Re8 gxf5 47. Qg3+ Kh8 48. Rxa8 Rxa8 49. Qe5+ Kg8
50. Qe8+ Rxe8 51. dxe8=Q+ Kg7 52. Qe5+ Kg6 53. Qd6+ ] <46. Re8 1-0>
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| patzer2: <worktobedestroyed> If 46...Qxd7, then 47. Qg3+! Kh1 48. Rxf8# follows. |
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| aginis: <Hesam7> right you are 56 e7 Qb8+ 57 g3+ is faster |
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| patzer2: It's hard to classify 45. f5!! in a particular tactic category. In one sense it's a deflection. In another sense it supports the passed pawn and it also creates a number of mating possibilities. However, since Black is castled and 44...Qc6? fatally weakens that position, I'm calling it an attack on the weakened castled position. |
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| delterp: My question is why not 29.  bxg6+?
White is going to exchange rooks anyway, so why not make a desparado out of the piece and gain a pawn? |
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| May-12-05 |
| Snow Man: Took me about 6 minutes... |
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| YouRang: I missed it. I looked at f5, but I didn't see how it forced anything. Interesting puzzle. |
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| kevin86: Harder than it looks! The key move is not too hard,but a lot of loose ends need to be dealt with the position. The pawns go marching along!! |
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| May-12-05 |
| aginis: 29.Rbxg6 hxg6 30.Qxe4 Qe1+! 31.Kh2 Re8
32.Rxg6+ fxg6+ 33.Qxg6+ =
while 29.Qxe5 leaves white up a pawn |
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| May-12-05 |
| Cee75: <boomie>
45... g5 46. f6 h6 Now why not
47. Rxf7 ?? will finish it much faster |
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| Stonewaller2: <I'm calling it an attack on the weakened castled position.> I'd be inclined to agree. 45. f4 threatens to open the g-file for the  , giving 46. e8 a sharp point it didn't have before, as you note: 46. ... c6 47. g3+  h8? 48. xf8# or 47. ... g6 48. xf8+ and the  promotes. |
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| JohnBoy: After 45.f5 f6, white wins perhaps more quickly than <Hesam's 46 Qg3 g5 47 h4! h5 48 hxg5 h4 49 Rg7! Kh8 [49 ...Kxg7 50 gxf6 Kxf6 51 Qg6+] 50 Qh4 Kxg7 51 Qh6 Kg8 52 Qxf8+ Kxf8 53 d8Q+ Kf7 [ 53 ... Kg7 54 Ke7] 54 g6 Kg7 55 Qe7 Kh6 56 Qh7 Kg5 57 g7>. White can try 46.Qe6+ Qxe6 47.fe6, when black can do nothing effective to stop Re8. Suppose black plays 47...a2. White wins with 48.Re8 a1Q 49.Rxf8+ Kxf8 50.d8Q+ Kg7 51.Qc7+ Kh6 52.e7, and the e pawn will promote. Not that Hesam's line is wrong, it's just that w/o board I see maybe 5 moves ahead, rather than 10. |
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| xxdsdxx: After searching through all of the Rook Queen possibilities, promoting the stranded pawn to no avail, who would of thought to start with something so esoteric as marching another pawn down the board! Good puzzle... |
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| gerpm: I think Qg3 wins. |
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| May-12-05 |
| Hektor: I figured out the initial move (45.f5) but completely overlooked the complexities associated if black declines the sacrifice with 45...a2, or g5 (so in effect I missed this one). Kudos to you all for the great discussions associated with these and other lines. This is one of those puzzles that is much more complex than it initially seems. |
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| May-12-05 |
| isaac.gl: why not just
46.Rf7,Rxf7
47.d7-d8 ++ |
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| paulalbert: The K can take on f7 and then white has nothing. |
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| Richard Taylor: I looked at f5 but couldn't see anything - Torre played the famous combo with he back rank mate theme did he not? I would porbably have gone for f5 but I thought there was no way through after a2 -oh well see how I go next problem... |
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| May-12-05 |
| RookFile: E Z Adams vs Carlos Torre, 1920 |
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| JohnBoy: What is your point here <RookFile>? You lead us to a famous game to what end? How does it follow naturally from the discussion here? |
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| Boomie: <Hesam7 - In your line White wins much faster with 49 gxh6 instead of 49 Qg3> Dang. I was really fond of that line. Thanks for the heads up. |
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| Boomie: <Cee75> I fell for xf7 at first, forgetting that the king is a piece, too. 47. xf7 xf7 48. e7+ g6 49. g7+ f5 50. g4+ f4 51. xf8 c2+ = |
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