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Aug-07-09
 | | Pawn and Two: <CharlesSullivan> Sorry for the delay in my response. I was on vacation. After additional review Fritz agrees that after: 38...Rxa2 39.Rh8 b3 40.h5 Rc2 41.h6 Rc5 42.Bf7 b2 43.Ba2 Rh5 44.Bb1 a3 45.h7 Kb7 46.g4 Rh4 47.d4 Rg4+ 48.Kf3 Rh4 49.d5, Black would be able to draw by 49...Nb4. Our analysis has strongly indicated that 38...Rxa2 39.Rh8 b3 leads to a draw. My earlier analysis (see my post of July 6th) indicated Black also has good drawing chances with: 38...Rxa2 39.Rh8 Rd2, or 38...Rxa2 39.Rh8 Rc2. Perhaps someone will find a promising continuation for White after 38...Rxa2!, but at this point I believe 38...Rxa2! would have given Black a position he could have drawn. |
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| Aug-13-09 | | CharlesSullivan: <Pawn and Two> Yes, I believe we have shown that 38...Rxa2 leads to a draw after, for instance, 39.Rh8 b3! etc. By the way, I have spent several days looking at, after 38...Rxa2 39.Rh8, Fritz's two "drawish" suggestions: 39...Rc2 and 39...Rd2. I will post some small part of that analysis in the next day or so, but I believe both lose. By the way, I believe that Rubinstein missed easy wins at moves 36 and 37. As far as I can tell, nobody has pointed this out. For example, in this position < White played 37.Rh5+, but stronger is 37.h5! >
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White has 37.h5 (passed pawns must be pushed!) 37...b3 38.axb3 a3 39.d4+ Kb6 (39...Nxd4 40.Ra6 is easy for White) 40.Bd5 Rc2 41.b4
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and Black can resign (41...a2 42.Bxa2 Rxa2 43.d5 etc.). White also could have advanced the h-pawn one move earlier: 36.h5! leads to a crushing position. |
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| Aug-14-09 | | CharlesSullivan: <Pawn and Two> Here is my analysis of 38...Rxa2 39.Rh8 Rc2 (analysis of 39...Rd2 will follow shortly). The best move here is 40.g4
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and I cannot find a way to save the game for Black. Here are some variations: (A) 40...Kc7 41.h5 Kd6 42.Bxc6 Rxc6 43.h6 winning position (B) 40...Ne5 41.g5 Nxd3 42.Be4 Rxf2+ 43.Kg3 Re2 44.Rb8+ Ke5 45.Kf3 Rh2 46.Rc8+ Kb6 47.Bxd3 winning position (C) 40...b3 (the main line) 41.g5
(C1) 41...Nb4 42.Rb8+ Ka5 43.Bc4 Rxc4 44.dxc4 a3 45.g6 b2 46.g7 b1=Q 47.g8=Q Qe4+ 48.Kg3 Qe5+ 49.f4 Qe3+ 50.Kg4 Qe2+ 51.Kg5 Qg2+ 52.Kf6 Qc6+ 53.Ke5 and Black does not have a perpetual check; White wins with his extra material (C2) 41...Re2 42.g6 Re7 43.Rc8 Ne5 44.h5 b2 45.d4 Rb7 46.Be4 Ng4 47.Bb1 Ka5 48.Kf3 Nh6 49.Rh8 winning position (C3) 41...Rc5 42.Bf7 Ne7 43.g6! (43.Rb8+ only draws) 43...Nxg6 44.Bxg6 Ra5 45.Bf7 Kc7 46.h5 Rg5+ 47.Kh3 Rf5 48.Bc4 Rf4 49.h6 Rxc4 50.h7 Rc6 51.Rc8+ Kxc8 52.h8=Q+ Kb7 53.Qg7+ Kb6 54.Qd4+ Kb5 55.f4 Rh6+ 56.Kg3 Rg6+ 57.Kf3 Rb6 58.f5 winning position |
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| Aug-16-09 | | CharlesSullivan: <Pawn and Two> Now we look at sample variations after 38...Rxa2! 39.Rh8 Rd2(?). Here 40.Ra8! wins: (A) 40...Na5 41.Rb8+ Kc5 42.Bf7 Nc6 43.h5 Ne5 44.d4+! Rxd4 45.Be8 Ng4 46.Rc8+ Kd6 47.Bxa4 Ke7 48.Rg8 Nh6 49.Rg6 Nf7 50.Rb6
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and White wins (+5.98) with 2 extra pawns.
(B) 40...a3 41.h5 Rxd3 42.Bxc6 Kxc6 43.h6 Rd7 44.g4 Kd5 45.g5 Rh7 46.Kg3 Ke6 47.Kg4 Kd6 48.f4
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and White's kingside pawns win (+6.31).
(C) Long but straightforward is 40...Ne5 41.Rxa4 Nxd3 42.Kf3 Ne1+ 43.Ke4 Re2+ 44.Kf5 Rxf2+ 45.Ke5 Kb5 46.Ra8 Nd3+ 47.Kd4 Nc1 48.Rc8 Rd2+ 49.Ke5 Nd3+ 50.Kd6 Nf2 51.Rb8+ Ka5 52.g4 Ne4+ 53.Ke5 Nc5 54.Bc6 Nd3+ 55.Ke4 Nc5+ 56.Ke3 Rd3+ 57.Ke2 Rc3 58.Rb5+ Ka6 59.Rxb4 Ka5 60.Rb5+ Ka6 61.Be8 Ne6 62.Rb4 Rc2+ 63.Kf3
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and White wins (+6.37).
It looks as if the only draw for Black after 38...Rxa2 39.Rh8 is 39...b3! (See previous postings.) |
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| Aug-16-09 | | CharlesSullivan: <Pawn and Two> In the 38...Rxa2 39.Rh8 Rd2 40.Ra8 variation, I failed to address the main point of 39...Rd2, namely 40...Rxd3. The refutation is 41.Bxc6! Kxc6 42.Rxa4 and White has a forced win; for example: 42...Kc5 43.Ra8 43.Rd7 44.Rc8+ Kd5 45.Rb8 Kc4 46.h5 Rh7 47.g4 b3 48.Kg3 Kc3 44.f3 b2 50.Rxb2 Kxb2
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and, according to the endgame databases, it is mate-in-26 beginning 51.Kh4! |
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Aug-17-09
 | | Pawn and Two: <CharlesSullivan> 38...Rxa2 is slowly showing us its' secrets. In the line, 38...Rxa2 39.Rh8 Rc2 40.g4 b3 41.g5, Fritz calculated that 41...Kc5 42.Bxc6 b2 43.Bxa4 Rxf2+ 44.Kxf2 b1Q, may save the draw for Black. However, Fritz overlooked, 43.Rb8! a3 44.g6! a2 45.g7 b1Q 46.g8Q, and White is winning. In the other line, 38...Rxa2 39.Rh8 Rd2 40.Ra8, the winning ending you provided after 40...Rxd3 41.Bxc6! was amazing! In this line, you also indicated the following continuation: 38...Rxa2 39.Rh8 Rd2 40.Ra8 Na5 41.Rb8+ Kc5 42.Bf7 Nc6, as winning for White. Instead of 42...Nc6, Fritz prefers 42...Rxd3, with White continuing by 43.h5 Rd6 44.Ra8 Kb6 45.g4 Rf6, or 43.Ra8 Kb6 44.h5 Rd6 45.g4 Rf6. So far, I have been unable to prove a win for White after 42...Rxd3. What are your conclusions regarding this move? If a win for White cannot be proved after 42...Rxd3, then perhaps 41.Bf7 or 41.h5 should be considered. Also, 42.h5 may be stronger than 42.Bf7. I have only briefly reviewed these possibilities. |
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| Aug-18-09 | | CharlesSullivan: <Pawn and Two> After 38...Rxa2 39.Rh8 Rd2 40.Ra8 Na5 41.Rb8+ Kc5 42.Bf7 Rxd3
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43.Be8 will win. For example, 43...a3 44.Rb5+ wins Black's knight and White has plenty of extra material to stop the queenside pawns. Or, 43...Nc6 44.Bxc6 wins--perhaps 44...a3 45.Rb5+ and (a) 45...Kxc6 46.Rxb4 wins with two extra pawns or (b) 45...Kc4 46.Ra5 Kb3 47.h5 etc. I'm quite surprised that Fritz seems to be struggling with these positions -- the analysis you post always is impeccable. Perhaps you are using only a small subset (or none?) of the available endgame tablebases? Of course, I could be overlooking something significant: I'm pretty much dependent on Zappa and Rybka, and they're certainly not infallible. |
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Aug-18-09
 | | Pawn and Two: <CharlesSullivan> As you surmise, I am working without an endgame tablebase. When I upgrade my Fritz, I have to consider including an endgame tablebase. It took Fritz a while (32 ply!), to see that the ending after 42...Rxd3 was clearly winning. The position after 42...Rxd3 43.Be8 Nc6 44.Bxc6 a3 45.Rb5+ Kxc6 46.Rxb4, is very interesting. Black's passed pawn will eventully cost White his rook, but the combined White passers will win the game. I am pleased with our findings for this endgame. Perhaps someone will still discover a promising continuation for White after 38...Rxa2!, but we have provided strong evidence that this move would have allowed Black to draw. |
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| Aug-18-09 | | CharlesSullivan: <Pawn and Two> Yes, the endgame tablebases are a "must." I, too, am satisfied that we have come pretty close to the truth of this position. I plan to send some notes to John Donaldson (of "The Life and Games of Akiva Rubinstein" fame). One last variation: after 38...Rxa2 39.Rh8 Rd2 40.Ra8 Rxd3 41.Bxc6 Kxc6 42.Rxa4 Kb5 43.Ra8 Rd5 44.g4 Rd4 45.Rg8 b3 46.h5 Kc6 47.h6 b2 48.Rb8 Rxg4+ 49.Kf3 Rh4 50.Rxb2 Rxh6
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Black is only one pawn down, but 51.Rd2 (the only winning move) cuts off the Black king and is mate-in-61. |
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| Sep-05-09 | | WhiteRook48: 42 Bxb3 a1=Q and but only slightly |
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Dec-21-09
 | | talisman: is anyone else having trouble accessing this game? |
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Dec-21-09
 | | MaxxLange: <talisman> works from here |
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Apr-10-10
 | | talisman: <Maxx> i still can't get it! |
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Feb-17-11
 | | talisman: i still can't get it????/ |
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| Feb-17-11 | | quandide: Neither can I. Only the first move d4 is displayed. Can CG reload this game please? |
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Feb-17-11
 | | Kinghunt: It works just fine for me. |
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Feb-17-11
 | | talisman: <Kinghunt>...WHATCHAGOT????!!!! |
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Feb-18-11
 | | Kinghunt: Here's the full PGN with annotation if it still isn't working for you: [Event "San Sebastian"]
[Site "San Sebastian"]
[Date "1911.??.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "Akiba Rubinstein"]
[Black "Jose Raul Capablanca"]
[ECO "D33"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "84"]
1.d4 otes by Jacques Mieses and Dr. Savielly Tartakower. ***
Tartakower: In a game overflowing with the finer points of
positional play, the outstanding feature is perhaps the
problem-like turn 17. c1, by which White very elegantly saves
all his unguarded pieces and remains with an extra pawn. d5
2.Nf3 c5 3.c4 e6 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.g3 Tartakower: First
introduced by Schlechter (against Dus-Chotimirsky, rague
1908), systematized by ubinstein, this positional maneuver
has all but refuted the Tarrasch Defense. Be6 7.Bg2 Be7 8.O-O
Rc8 Tartakower: Too dogmatic. lack devotes too much
attention to the queenside. 9.dxc5 Bxc5 10.Ng5 ! Nf6
11.Nxe6 fxe6 12.Bh3 Qe7 13.Bg5 Mieses: A good move but not
the best. eyond any doubt, with 13.e4! White achieves an
advantage; for example, 13...d4 14. d5 exd5 15. xc8 dxe4
16. b3! or 13...dxe4 14. g5 O-O 15. xe4, etc. O-O
Tartakower: Too late, and yet - as the storm now breaks - not
late enough. etter would be 13... d8. 14.Bxf6 Qxf6 Mieses:
A mistake. In his calculation Capablanca has overlooked the
opponent's 17th move. The right continuation was
14...gxf6. *** In "Chess Fundamentals" Jose aul Capablanca
states that he overlooked 16. g2! and not White's 17th move
giving the following combination: 16. g2 (the move Capablanca
expected) 16... e5! 17. f4 (if 17. c1 xc1!! 18. xc1 xf2+ and
wins) 17... g4 18.h3 (18. h3 xf2+ and lick wins a quality)
18... xf2 19. xf2 xf2+ 20. xf2 g5 and lack wins. 15.Nxd5
! Qh6 16.Kg2 Rcd8 17.Qc1 !! exd5 18.Qxc5 Qd2 19.Qb5
Tartakower: Having cleverly won a pawn, White shows that he
also can hold what he has gained. Nd4 20.Qd3 Qxd3 Mieses:
lack cannot avoid the exchange of the queens: 20... xb2 loses
a piece after 21. bf1, and if 20... b4, then 21. fd1 followed
by e6+. 21.exd3 Rfe8 22.Bg4 ! Rd6 23.Rfe1 Rxe1 24.Rxe1 Rb6
Mieses: I don't like this move. The best seems to be
24... f7. *** Tartakower: Very cleverly lack obtains some
counterplay which will bring in a pawn on the -side. |
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Feb-18-11
 | | Kinghunt: Part Two:
25.Re5
Rxb2 26.Rxd5 Nc6 27.Be6+ Kf8 28.Rf5+ Ke8 29.Bf7+ Kd7 30.Bc4 a6
31.Rf7+ Kd6 32.Rxg7 b5 33.Bg8 a5 34.Rxh7 a4 35.h4 b4 36.Rh6+
Kc5 37.Rh5+ Kb6 38.Bd5 ? All annotators agree on 38. c4!
being better. b3 ? All annotators agree on 38... xa2 being
better. According to Vladimir Vukovic White still wins with
39. h8! b3 40.h5! a1 (if 40... b4 41.h6! or 40... c2 41.h6!
b2 42. a2 etc.) 41. xc6 c7 (not 41... xc6? 42. b8 c7 43. b4
and wins) 42. e4 b2 43.d4 a3 44. h7+ d6 45. b7 a2 46. xb2
g1+ 47. xg1 a1= + 48. b1 xd4 49. f3, and White's position is
still winning. 39.axb3 ! Tartakower: The result of very
precise calculations. 39. xb3 is another way to win. a3
40.Bxc6 Mieses: This paradoxical capture is now feasible;
e.g., 40...a2 41. b5+ a6 [41... xc6 42. a5] 42. b8!, etc.
Rxb3 41.Bd5 a2 42.Rh6+ ! 1-0 |
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Feb-19-11
 | | talisman: thanks <Kinghunt>...i only get 1.d4 |
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| Jul-06-12 | | CharlesSullivan: I now believe that 38...Rxa2 will not save Black (despite my analysis of July, 2009). After upgrading to an Intel i7-3930K (6 cores @ 4.4GHz) and adding an SSD with 145GB of endgame tablebases, I chose this position to analyze for about a month. A sample White win is 39.Rh8 b3 40.h5 Rc2 41.h6 Rc5 42.Bf3 b2 43.h7 b1=Q 44.Rc8 Qa1 45.h8=Q Qxh8 46.Rxh8 Na7 47.d4 Ra5 48.Rh6+ Kc7 49.d5 Nb5 50.Rc6+ Kd8 51.Bg4 a3 52.d6 Ra8 53.d7 Nc7 54.Rh6 Ke7 55.Rh7+ Kd6 56.Rh1 Ke7 57.Bf3 Ra6
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58.Bb7! Rb6 59.Bc8 Rd6 60.Ra1 Rd3 61.Kh3 Kd8 62.Kh4 Rd4+ ( < my analysis of 7 July 2009 went 62...Ne6 63.g4 Rf3 64.Ra2 Rc3 65.g5 Rc4+ 66.Kh5 Rc5 67.Rxa3 Rxg5+ 68.Kh6 Rg2 69.Rf3 Rh2+ 70.Kg6 Rg2+ 71.Kh5 Rh2+ 72.Kg4 Rg2+ 73.Kh4 Rh2+ 74.Kg3 Rh8 75.Kg4 Rg8+ 76.Kh5 Kc7 77.Rf6 Rh8+(?) [other Black moves also lose]
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and 78.Kg6 led to a draw; but 78.Rh6! Nf4+ 79.Kg5 Rf8 80.Rf6 Nh3+ 81.Kg6 Rg8+ 82.Kf7 Rh8 83.d8=Q+ Kxd8 84.Bxh3 Rxh3 85.f4 is a winning ending > ) 63.f4
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63...Nb5
( < or 63...Ra4 64.Kh5 Nd5 65.f5 a2 66.Kg5 Nb6 67.Kg6 Nc4 68.f6
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and White's connected pawns soon win on the kingside > ) 64.Ba6 Nd6 65.Rxa3 Kxd7 66.Kg4 Re4 67.Kf3 Rb4 68.g4 Ke7 69.Bd3 Nb7 70.g5 Nc5 71.f5
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71...Rh4 72.f6+ Ke6 73.Kg3 Rb4 74.Bg6 Kd6 75.Bf5 Rb8 76.Rc3 Na4 77.Rc8 Rb7 78.g6 Rb3+ 79.Kg4 Rb4+ 80.Kg5 Nb6 81.Rd8+ Ke5 82.f7 Rb2 83.f8=Q
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and White wins. |
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Aug-17-12
 | | Gambit All: What happens after 42... a7? |
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Aug-17-12
 | | Sastre: If 42...Ka7, 43.Rh8 wins. |
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| Dec-16-12 | | 12.12.12: amusing comments on black's 24th move |
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Dec-21-12
 | | Conrad93: Wasn't this GOTD? |
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