Members · Prefs · Collections · Openings · Endgames · Sacrifices · History · Search Kibitzing · Kibitzer's Café · Chessforums · Tournament Index · Players · Kibitzing

register now - it's free!
Bernhard Fleissig vs Carl Schlechter
"Schlechter's Immortal" (game of the day Nov-13-10)
Vienna (1893)  ·  Polish Opening: General (A00)  ·  0-1
To move:
Last move:

Click Here to play Guess-the-Move
Given 28 times; par: 42 [what's this?]

find similar games 803 more games of Schlechter
sac: 10...d4 PGN: download | view | print Help: general | java-troubleshooting

TIP: Premium members can suggest a game for Guess-the-Move with the Guess-the-Move Suggestion Queue.

PGN Viewer:  What is this?
For help with the default chess viewer, please see the Pgn4web Quickstart Guide.

Kibitzer's Corner
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 3 OF 3 ·  Later Kibitzing>
Mar-14-09  Fanacas: Sorry but there just is nothing good about the polish opening. Does nothing for devopmend and take´s no place in the center.
Jul-07-10  vonKrolock: And now a clipping from the first publication of this game (August 1893, in an Austrian newspaper) appears online, thanks to Edward Winter and his correspondent Jan Kalendovský. Details in Chess Notes number 6665 July 2010

(Nothing surprisingly new or wrong about the date and the score, but there appears sic <"C. Schlechter (white) Fl. (black)"> ) - Yes, colours inverted in this heading, but Fleissig is identified just with the two first letters of his surname - in a clear analogy to the <"Master vs NN"> form

Jul-07-10  vonKrolock: In the post drafted above: Instead of <the first publication> Better reading: <<<<<<an early publication>>>>>>

The editor of the column was <Gold>

cf. a post in page 9 of Carl Schlechter page, < He <Schlechter >learned to play around his thirteenth year, and the first personality of the chess world he met personally was <<Dr. Samuel <Gold>, a friend of his familly who was also the first native from Hungary to publish a book on Chess Problems>>>>

Jul-07-10  vonKrolock: April 1894: the "Deutsche Schachzeitung" answer to <B. F.> in Wien: <"Sie teilen uns mit das Sie die in der Rubrik "Partiestellungen und Endspiele" unter Nr 589 mitgeteilte Partie gegen den begabten jungen Schachmeister Carl Schlechter in Wien tatsächlich verloren haben, dass diese partie jedoch zu den sogenannten "Husarenpartien" gehört, von denen 12 Stück auf ein Dutzend gehen und die kaum länger als höchstens je 5 Minuten dauern. - Wir nehmen nicht an, dass der Einsender der Partie durch Verschweigen dieses Umstandes eine Mystifikation unseres Blattes oder gar eine privat Bosheit gegen Sie beabsichtigte. Zu derartiger pikant gefärbten persönlichen Angriffen, welche in Einzelnen Schachblättern das Hauptfutter der Leser bilden, gibt sich die Schachzeitung nicht her.">

researched by Peter Anderberg, the clipping is kindly provided by Edward Winter today in "Chess Notes" number 6668 (same link above)

Bernhard Fleissig concedes that he actually <LOST> this game to Schlechter, but it seems that he would like to have emphasised that it was a blitz game. The magazine rejects any claim that the omission of details about the lightness of the encounter could be intentional.

Premium Chessgames Member
  Phony Benoni: After <13...Nd7>:

click for larger view

Does 14.Qc4 give White a chance to survive? He threatens the Ne4 as well as a queen trade. Black has 14...Rd8, but White might try 15.Qxe4 and wind up trading the queen for a couple of Black's more active pieces. It seems scary, but might be worth looking into.

By the way, not 14.Qc4 Rd8 15.Qb4+ Ndc5+! 16.Bd2 Rxd2+ 17.Kc1 Rd1+! 18.Kxd1 Qd8+, and we get back toward the game scenario.

Premium Chessgames Member
  Check It Out: 14.Qxb7 is best according to Shredder with a evaluation, but 14.Qc4 Rd8 15.Qxe4 Ne5+ 16.Qd3 Rxd3+ 17.exd3 Bxg1 18.Rxg1 Qb6 19.Rh1 Ng4 looks like a brutal sequence for an OTB player to follow up with for a win, so I'd say you're on to something, <Phony Benoni>.
Premium Chessgames Member
  scormus: Lovely attacking game from one of the great (and undervalued?) players of all time.

<Schlechter fleissig; Fleissig schlecht>

Nov-13-10  WhiteRook48: ouch...Nf2!!!
Premium Chessgames Member
  playground player: For a moment there, this looks like a fairly modern use of the Polish Opening. <Riverbeast> favors 3.b5 over 3.a3, which is the way Sokolsky usually played it (and the Russians don't call it "the Sokolsky Opening" for nothing).

I, too, prefer 3.b5, but you see a3 often enough to accept it. The real dud was 5.d4, deserving of double question-marks. Far better, and pretty much de rigeur by now, would be 5.e3, allowing the Bishop to protect the pawn on b5 and keeping Black from playing his pawn to d4. 5.d4 just hems in the "Sokolsky Bishop" and hopelessly cramps White's position.

No one playing this opening nowadays would have played that move.

Premium Chessgames Member
  kevin86: Schlechter was known as a "drawing master" but ironically when he had the title nearly in his hands,played for a win and lost vs Steinitz.The pieces fly in this game as black is left with a lone knight and queen while white has a queen,two rooks,two bishops,and a lone cavalier-all oassive,except for the rook that aids in the adverse mate.
Nov-13-10  tentsewang: Carl Schlechter's an absolutely beautiful man. I think the outbreak of WWI caused him to think of mass suffering and impermanence, which lead to graven his depression and died of malnutrition. A master of an art itself. May all beings be happy...
Nov-13-10  ounos: 18. Kb1, then what
Premium Chessgames Member
  Sastre: 18.Kb1 Qb5+ 19.Kc1 Qb2#.
Nov-13-10  ounos: but then 19. Bx...oh wait
Nov-13-10  theodor: 5.d4 and 6.Nc3 are the bigining of the desastre! why to analize 13th, 14th and so on moves?!!
Nov-13-10  Bdellovibrio: <<<Schlechter fleissig; Fleissig schlecht>>> groan
Premium Chessgames Member
  Chessmensch: <Bdellovibrio> <<<Schlechter fleissig; Fleissig schlecht>>> You beat me to this pun fair and square. I was just getting ready to enter it.
Nov-13-10  Bdellovibrio: <chessmensch> Credit goes to <scormius>, actually (see below).
Nov-13-10  donehung: Wow! i cant believe ive never saw this game. Well done.
Premium Chessgames Member
  scormus: <Chessmensch:> Well, 1/2 - 1/2 perhaps
Dec-10-10  mulde: Maybe, after 7.Qd3? cxd4 White is already lost. 4.b5 is a bad move, and 5.d4 (better is 5.Nf3 / e3) is a bad one, too.

On the other hand, it seems to be something unclear what Black intended to do after 11.Nf3 instead of taking the rook h8. I don't see more than an equal game after doing so.

And a blitzgame ... hm. Did they have in 1893 had already chessclocks allowing such a rapid play?

Premium Chessgames Member
  Penguincw: Stunning! White's queen was like in pac man mode, but the white king soon got hopeless.
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: The possible improvements in White's defence noted here in no way detract from the splendour of Schlechter's conception. Lovely stuff.
Premium Chessgames Member
  Dionysius1: Makes one wonder - what is the greatest imbalance of potential power (pieces)under which someone has won at master level or above?
Mar-30-14  DirkMcCallahan: <why not 2...Bxb4?>

3. Bxg7 is rather unpleasant.

Jump to page #    (enter # from 1 to 3)
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 3 OF 3 ·  Later Kibitzing>
NOTE: You need to pick a username and password to post a reply. Getting your account takes less than a minute, totally anonymous, and 100% free--plus, it entitles you to features otherwise unavailable. Pick your username now and join the chessgames community!
If you already have an account, you should login now.
Please observe our posting guidelines:
  1. No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language.
  2. No spamming, advertising, or duplicating posts.
  3. No personal attacks against other users.
  4. Nothing in violation of United States law.
Blow the Whistle See something that violates our rules? Blow the whistle and inform an administrator.

NOTE: Keep all discussion on the topic of this page. This forum is for this specific game and nothing else. If you want to discuss chess in general, or this site, you might try the Kibitzer's Café.
Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of, its employees, or sponsors.
Spot an error? Please submit a correction slip and help us eliminate database mistakes!
This game is type: CLASSICAL (Disagree? Please submit a correction slip.)

Featured in the Following Game Collections [what is this?]
great game
from Gambit86's favorite games (2) by Gambit86
Attack and Counter-attack
by StuporMundi
Black sacs most pieces and mates!
from pawn2king4's favorite games by pawn2king4
Schlechter's Immortal
from Penguincw's Favourite Games by Penguincw
Game 179
from The Golden Treasury of Chess Part 1(Games 1-250) by biglo
Schlechter's Immortal
from My Favorite Games by gabriel112000
from yzx - - -> best game of a chess player by whiteshark
oxxo's favorite games
by oxxo
Schlecter's Immortal
from Tridel's favorite games by Tridel
Brilliant Games
by Phi
Chapter VIII =-How black take the initiative
from Attack and counter attack by StuporMoundi
great attacks
by pim
The two rooks and a bishop (!) just to lure the queen away (!!)
from The Greatest Games of all Time by addiction to chess
Schlechter's Immortal
from Grandes juegos de grandes jugadores by jonico
November 13- Orangutan Opening (Polish Opening)
from Openings of the Day 2012 Starting July 2nd by shinelikeastar
by zentovic
It's raining sacs again!!!
from Collections in Idleness 7 by Trigonometrist
from good tactic by hartkoka
from Checkmates 18+ by Kasputin
todki's favorite games
by todki
plus 67 more collections (not shown)

home | about | login | logout | F.A.Q. | your profile | preferences | Premium Membership | Kibitzer's Café | Biographer's Bistro | new kibitzing | chessforums | Tournament Index | Player Directory | World Chess Championships | Opening Explorer | Guess the Move | Game Collections | ChessBookie Game | Chessgames Challenge | Store | privacy notice | advertising | contact us
Copyright 2001-2015, Chessgames Services LLC
Web design & database development by 20/20 Technologies