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| Mar-13-04 |
| schilderbaard: After 14.Qxb7 I don't see a winning combination for black.Can anyone help me? |
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| Mar-13-04 |
| ughaibu: How about 14....Qa4 15.Nf3 Rd8? For example 16.e3 Ke8 17.Bd3 Ndc5 18.Qc6 Kf8 19.Ke2 Rd3 20.d3 Qc2 etc. |
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| Aug-15-04 |
| WMD: Was the date of this game 1895 or 1893? |
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Aug-15-04
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| vonKrolock: <WMD> According to R. Spielmann, in "Karl Schlechter" , F. Englunds Förlag, Stockholm 1924: "played August 10-th 1893 in "Neuer Wiener Schachklub". |
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| Mar-17-05 |
| marekg248: It's 1893 according to outstanding book Karl Schlechter by Leonid S. Verkhovsky too. Anothet Schlechter's gems:
Schlechter vs H Wolf, 1894
Schlechter vs Maroczy, 1902
Schlechter vs Alekhine, 1910
Schlechter vs Chigorin, 1905 |
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Mar-20-05
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| vonKrolock: <marekg248> Not a surprise, considering that Verkhovsky chiefly copy-pasted from Spielmann's work |
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| Mar-20-05 |
| arielbekarov: The more games I see from Carl Schlechter the more I admire his art ! I think there is so much hidden in his way of playing that we cannot yet fathom his brilliant genious ! Pity that he didn't make it to become World Champion. Together with Akiba Rubinstein and Richard Reti he belongs to the greatest NON-World Champions, and even greater than some of the World Champions. Carl Schlechter is one of the greatest for me, and his reputation as "drawingmaster" is more because of his extraordinary kindness, but here
he didn't present this kindness at all.
I am always so sad, when I am thinking about the way he left us.
A brilliant man and not enough to eat.
But, in the world of artists, the ones who have given us the most have very often suffered the most. We have the games of Carl Schlechter to enjoy. He gave us them to study carefully and this is the best way we can honour him !
Ariel |
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Mar-20-05
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| vonKrolock: Thanks for You thoughts, <arielbekarov>: there's about this Game, also a nice history - about the Live Chess shows from Marostica, North Italy (i'm transcribing my own post from another cg.com page) <in the names of the italian knights from the xv-th century Marostica episode: Rinaldo de Angarano e Vieri de Vallonara (and in the name of the 'prize' of that game Madonna Lionara too). The original quatrocento game was not been preserved in this case, and when the municipality of this venetian town started the famous festival whith live Chess performances in 1954, the game selected was Fleissig-Schlechter, Vienna 1893 > |
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| Apr-25-05 |
| offramp: A lot like this game, A Afifi vs Beliavsky, 1985. |
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Jul-11-05
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| marcwordsmith: I showed this game as a puzzle to my friend Dakin. Told him "Black to move and win" after White's 16th move. Unfortunately he did find a forced win for Black, and it's much more prosaic than the lovely combination that was actually played in the game. My friend's continuation renders the brilliancy of Schlechter's final combination unnecessary, which is sort of a sad thing, because I think brilliancy and elegance are more beautiful when they are the only winning alternative, as opposed to just one winning option among two or more.
Anyway, Dakin found 16. . . . Be1! threatening both Bd2+ AND Nf2. If White tries 17. Nh3 to stop Nf2, then Bd7+ and if Kb1, then Qb5+ quickly leads to mate. If White tries 18. Kd1, Bxf4+ quickly mates. And of course if White captures the bishop, then a mate follows similar to the one in the game. |
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| Jul-11-05 |
| aw1988: Except the way in the game to win is also quite dry. Slightly more exciting, but not complex at all. |
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| Oct-30-05 |
| Averageguy: <marcwordsmith>I actually like the game continuation better then your friends. All credit to him though for finding an alternate win. But I agree that combinations are more nice when they are the only way to win. |
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| Feb-02-06 |
| Autoreparaturwerkbau: Back is down 2 rooks + 2 bishops (!!) and won ... nothing more to say. |
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May-25-06
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| An Englishman: Good Evening: Wow, spectacular play by Schlecter, but he had a *lot* of help. 5.d4 is truly awful. 5.e3 must be the best move, intending Nf3, c2-c4 and Qb3. |
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| May-19-07 |
| alshatranji: I thought of 16. Be1 too, but I was fascinated by Schlechter's continuation, which is not only prettier but faster. I don't understand how you can say it's "unnecessary". |
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| May-19-07 |
| alshatranji: 13. Qxb5 at once doesn’t work. After 14. Bh6 (threatening Qf8) Black has to play Nd7, then 15. Qxa8 and we return to the same position played in the game. But White doesn’t have to accept the sacrifice: 15. Qc7! Then the final sacrifice doesn’t work: Qd5+, 16. Kc1 Be3+, 17. Bxe3 Nf2, 18. Qxc3! May be the prosaic 16… Be1 would work in this position. |
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| Dec-24-07 |
| Ruy Lopez: That was just pathetic
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| Dec-24-07 |
| mistreaver: Greedy white! This reminds me of a game at which Blackburne first employed Blackburne's mate. It is dangerous to go for the rooks in this fashion early in the game. |
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Dec-29-08
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| playground player: Nobody was accomplishing anything with the Polish Opening in the 19th century--but it's in much better shape now, thanks to Tartakower, Sokolsky, and now Yuri Lapshun. |
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| Dec-29-08 |
| Riverbeast: <Nobody was accomplishing anything with the Polish Opening in the 19th century--but it's in much better shape now, thanks to Tartakower, Sokolsky, and now Yuri Lapshun.> And of course, 'Rbeast' on FICS! ;-)
In all seriousness, anybody who understands the finer points of the Polish would know that Fleissig hoplessly misplayed the opening. His first lemon was 3. a3 (much better was 3. b5) |
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Dec-30-08
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| playground player: <Riverbeast> Do you use this opening? If you have any of your games saved, please post one on my forum--I'd like to see it. I have one of my own Polish games up on my forum now. My opponent did take a prat fall at the end, but I'm pretty sure I had a win without his blunder. In the few examples of Polish games I've seen from the 19th century, White always gets bombed. |
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| Jan-18-09 |
| WhiteRook48: what a sacrificial game!! |
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Mar-03-09
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| Absentee: Simply beautiful. Schlechter deserved to be World Champion. |
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| Mar-04-09 |
| WhiteRook48: why not 2...Bxb4? |
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| Mar-14-09 |
| Fanacas: Sorry but there just is nothing good about the polish opening. Does nothing for devopmend and take´s no place in the center. |
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sac: 10...d4