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Bernhard Fleissig vs Carl Schlechter
"Schlechter's Immortal" (game of the day Nov-13-2010)
Vienna (1893), Vienna AUH
Polish Opening: General (A00)  ·  0-1
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Nov-13-10  ounos: 18. Kb1, then what
Nov-13-10
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  Sastre: 18.Kb1 Qb5+ 19.Kc1 Qb2#.
Nov-13-10  ounos: but then 19. Bx...oh wait
Nov-13-10  theodor: 5.d4 and 6.Nc3 are the bigining of the desastre! why to analize 13th, 14th and so on moves?!!
Nov-13-10  Bdellovibrio: <<<Schlechter fleissig; Fleissig schlecht>>> groan
Nov-13-10
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  Chessmensch: <Bdellovibrio> <<<Schlechter fleissig; Fleissig schlecht>>> You beat me to this pun fair and square. I was just getting ready to enter it.
Nov-13-10  Bdellovibrio: <chessmensch> Credit goes to <scormius>, actually (see below).
Nov-13-10  donehung: Wow! i cant believe ive never saw this game. Well done.
Nov-14-10  scormus: <Chessmensch:> Well, 1/2 - 1/2 perhaps
Dec-10-10  mulde: Maybe, after 7.Qd3? cxd4 White is already lost. 4.b5 is a bad move, and 5.d4 (better is 5.Nf3 / e3) is a bad one, too.

On the other hand, it seems to be something unclear what Black intended to do after 11.Nf3 instead of taking the rook h8. I don't see more than an equal game after doing so.

And a blitzgame ... hm. Did they have in 1893 had already chessclocks allowing such a rapid play?

Feb-16-12
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  Penguincw: Stunning! White's queen was like in pac man mode, but the white king soon got hopeless.
Dec-09-13
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  perfidious: The possible improvements in White's defence noted here in no way detract from the splendour of Schlechter's conception. Lovely stuff.
Dec-09-13
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  Dionysius1: Makes one wonder - what is the greatest imbalance of potential power (pieces)under which someone has won at master level or above?
Mar-30-14  DirkMcCallahan: <why not 2...Bxb4?>

3. Bxg7 is rather unpleasant.

Jun-07-15
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  Sargon: Someone reliable has submitted a correction slip which claims, although without providing any evidence, that this game ended with 18...Qd2+.

It's always best to document such assertions. Can anybody confirm that this game ended after move 18 for black? The remaining moves shown would obviously be analysis if that's the case.

Jun-07-15  thomastonk: <Sargon> I'm sure you have checked C.N.s 6665 and 6668, which are cited above. So I have only one additional information: the chess column in "Allgemeine Sport-Zeitung" appeared in 1893 under the name of (Dr.S.) Gold, but in fact it was already Schlechter himself who led the column. This was revealed on 26. November 1893, when the change was made offical. Moreover, it is stated that he led the column already for one year.*

In my view, this makes the snippet presented in C.N. 6665 a primary source, even though Schlechter mixed up the names.* Therefore, it would be correct to assume that the game ended already after 18.. ♕d2+.

+++

* I observed this some time ago, when I read that Schlechter claimed that he led this chess column since 1892 (instead of 1893).

Aug-03-15
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  offramp: I think that old discrepancies in game scores can be explained if players did not keep score during the game. Then when the game was over, if it was any good, the players had a post mortem and reconstructed the game. Reporters watching the post mortem may have had to rely on their memory.
Nov-03-15
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  julillo: Some serious mistakes were done.
13. Qxf8? (13. Nf3! aprox equal chances for both players ) dxc3 14. Bc1 Nd7? (14...Qxb5 mantain the advantage for White) 15. Qxa8?(15. Qxb7! defending b5 was last chance to come back in game)
Feb-26-16  WorstPlayerEver: I think White's trouble started with 5. d4
Mar-09-16  jimcrickman143: 12.Qxc8?? was the fatal mistake. Better was 12.Nh3
Apr-12-16  The Kings Domain: An immortal indeed. Had Fleissig not been so gluttonous over his opponent's pieces and overprotective of his own he could have still salvaged his game even at the end.
Jun-13-17  ColeTrane: I have a board from there!
Jun-14-17
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  offramp: <ColeTrane: I have a board from there!> From Marostica? They are big, aren't they?
Apr-16-18  AlbertoDominguez: <thomastonk: I observed this some time ago, when I read that Schlechter claimed that he led this chess column since 1892 (instead of 1893).>

This makes perfect sense, since Dr. S. Gold arrived in the US on December 11, 1892 (according to Wikipedia).

Jul-17-19  Chesgambit: amazing
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